Simple word isn't it? Just say 'uncle' and it can be all over...
Well, there's a reason and it isn't about pride its more about the deep personal feelings we have towards kashmir.
During the m inc TSO war Jack layton actually ghosted into m inc- any m inc member past or present can account that our aa announcements can be fairly vulgar and in kind Jack was happy to join in on them.
So anyway, flash forward to the "kashmir declares on their former Protecterate- for us being 'terrible' micros".
And guess what, it was still IC and we rolled with it. However in the course of the war Layton decided to report messages he "found offensive" which is absolute Bs because after the stuff he posted in our own aa announcements there wasn't anything we could send to "offend" Jack- but he reported it and from admins standpoint there was valid reason to ban our members and they did. We lost two awesome, active members- roochi- who had a really well built, wonder heavy nation and then we lost zombinator who was fun to BS with.
To make matters worse, Jack then messages our members bragging about their deletions and that's when our IC role turned into an OOC F):& you role.
And that's why we won't budge an inch for those pieces of $:&/. Margrave can report all he wants- it's really all he's got left to do sense we've made it our responsibility to kick the !@#$ out of him and layton.
So when they are asking for us to 'to surrender' our response will always be "F/&@ off"