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Rolling in the Deep

Schattenmann

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That said, there is plenty of blame to go around regarding what went wrong in the EQ War (on both sides really) and Brehon was by no means solely responsible.

I agree. It is convenient to blame NPO for all of the EQ coalition’s troubles because it was the one that adopted responsibility for leading the (otherwise largely leaderless) eclectic group, and was the most recognised example of the conflicts of interest which plagued the coalition. The more-subtle truth is that the coalition suffered from divergent interests and/or different levels of commitment among many alliances and on multiple fronts which resulted in EQ being less effective than it might have been (which probably would have worsened if the war continued), but that does not fit well with the narrative for this war.

This post is best experienced while listening to:

Your summary gives a half-treatment to the issues.

NPO didn't just "adopt" responsibility for the coalition, they were responsible for the war; they organized it for like 4 months prior. Then they did the exact opposite of take responsibility: They announced that they weren't anyone's boss. Then Brehon disappeared.

NPO is not simply some passive object "example of the conflicts of interest." NPO actively schemed with its Umbrella-aligned allies before the war, made promises of a "handshake peace" made deals about who would be hit and who would not, and made promises about what coalition AAs would be allowed to do or not do. They didn't just have conflicts of interest, they created them and imposed them upon us.

There is no subtle truth about the internal conflict of EQ, there is simply the truth: The divergent alliances were invited to a war and given the impression that it was the Big One we'd all been waiting for for 2 years, and that with NPO abdicating leadership we would be running the war by consensus and to its natural conclusion. But that was never true because, we found out, NPO had already submitted a script to NG and C&G for approval and we weren't to be told until it was time to pull the plug. Then Punxsutawney Brehon came out of his hole he didn't see his shadow, so it was time to end the war whether anyone else liked it or not, and as anyone with a brain might have imagined, we all became quite agitated.

VE was on the verge of surrender after a long and retarded negotiation in which QueenHailee asked for input then went manic and disappeared when she received it, then--while preaching to all of us about our selfish idiocy over DH terms--NPO derailed the VE surrender in a weeklong battle over getting their name in the surrender-to list. Then NPO convened DH peace negotiations against the will of the vast majority of the coalition, thus precluding VE's surrender at all since they knew they could just hang out for whole-Umbrella peace. Thus we lost the crucial serious first surrender.

NPO continued to fake us all out over our supposed voice in the coalition when Brehon opened a thread asking for our beginning point terms for each AA we were at war with in preparation for his peace summit which we told him not to have in the first place. I know, height of irony, but a nice gesture. Then he proceeded to ignore everything we said and present his own terms loosely based on what we had said, to which Umbrella, MK, and GOONS went batcrap while OsRavan (or somebody) reminded Brehon of his "handshake peace" promise. The negotiations were too early for DH's damages to have warranted any serious consideration of peace terms, and Brehon's version of what we told him was too extreme; therefore, they blew us off, and left with the impression that we were ready for peace when we were not.

At this point, NPO should have let the war continue, but they were Hell-bent on the white peace and they were Hell-bent on it now. Brehon, Farrin, and Letum went on an internal campaign of berating the coalition for daring to ask for peace terms; this created massive arguments between NPO and AAs which wanted to continue the war or wanted peace terms, and between AAs who wanted terms and AAs who wanted to cut-and-run. NPO began trying to assert the responsibility/control they had refused at the outset; this set the dickheads on the C&G front on a path of obstinance for obstinance's sake.

Regardless of his clear inability to control anything or speak with a mandate on behalf of the coalition, Brehon again opened peace talks, and again mutated what the coalition wanted--a longer war with DH--into what he thought would work for us and within the promises he made pre-war--a negotiated extended war against Umb only. Sure, that worked very well for NPO with its inactive upper tier and $%&@ed up FA.

In the midst of our objections Brehon lost his blob, announced he was done negotiating, then went to NobodyExpects' Parlor of Love for a massage, and on NE's consult alone took the damn Frankenstein's Peace Monster to DH anyway.

At this point he turned around and told us that NPO, AI, and IRON pre-determined everything about the war and how it would end, and that we could sign the treaty or get bent.

The damage was done. The strife opened up by all this scheming and bullying had turned EQ into a roiling basketcase which signed the peace to get away from NPO and from each other. As ChairmanHal says, "there is plenty to go around" but with this exception: only that some of us could have handled ourselves better in dealing with NPO's crap.

And you know the shame of it all? What was it for? NPO got nothing. All those gymnastics to keep DuckRoll and win over C&G. I wish I got a dollar for every time NPO told us we had to go easy on DH because C&G was cancelling on them after fulfilling their debts this one last time. But you lost it all. Your scheming split arguably your best ally Anarchy Inc. in two and destroyed it, the scheming alienated IRON losing DR for you. And C&G, if the promises were made at all, reneged on them. Everyone in EQ was royally pissed or simply disillusioned. You got nothing out of all that.

Source: NPO Declaration of War and Sing-Along War Report



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All I stated was that those dynamics meant the coalition was "less effective than it otherwise might have been". It seems you are not even disputing that, and all you have done is provided your (clearly self-serving) perspective on points I broadly conceded in the post you quoted, which was not intended as an in-depth critique.

I find it ironic that NPOs opponents in this war are divided between those that wish to eliminate NPO as a rival partly due to its role in starting the war (the TOP sphere) and those that blame NPO for the way the war ended (the Polar sphere). The latter view has merit, but I didn't feel there were many alliances which came through with enhanced reputations based on those dynamics (IRON is one notable exception which comes to mind), and in a position to apportion blame without accepting some themselves.

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I believe we are missing the biggest sin of the NPO here, and its about time somebody mentioned this atrocity.

Brehon hurt Shats feelings. That can not stand.

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All I stated was that those dynamics meant the coalition was "less effective than it otherwise might have been". It seems you are not even disputing that, and all you have done is provided your (clearly self-serving) perspective on points I broadly conceded in the post you quoted, which was not intended as an in-depth critique.

If your initial understanding of the use of your quote was that I was responding specifically to you, then you misunderstood.

I find it ironic that NPOs opponents in this war are divided between

those that wish to eliminate NPO as a rival partly due to its role in

starting the war (the TOP sphere) and those that blame NPO for the way

the war ended (the Polar sphere). The latter view has merit, but I

didn't feel there were many alliances which came through with enhanced

reputations based on those dynamics (IRON is one notable exception which

comes to mind), and in a position to apportion blame without accepting

some themselves.

I find it ironic (and cute) that a decades-old ally of NPO [thinks he] has anything at all to say about self-serving perspectives. You are entitled to sense your irony, but it is grounded in your subjective relationship to NPO, where others would find no contradiction at all in accepting our parts in the arguments while knowing it was NPO who opened the rift. Why were Polaris/Sparta at odds with Pacifica in the first place? Because Pacifica required that they sell out their allies while the allies of NPO's allies got sweet deals from the Emperor. As I say and you demonstrate with your continual glossings-over, though, you just don't seem to place any importance on NPO's egomaniacal demands and double-crosses.

If TOP's actual reasoning is that NPO is a rivall, that's news to me, and I would have to tell TOP that such a view is patently silly given that everyone knows NPO positioned itself not as King !@#$ but as king of a !@#$heap, and Farrin hasn't got the skill set to do anything about it.

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You know you say it as a joke, and that is NPO's entire problem, half of you don't get it, the other half doesn't care. In point of fact, I went right from the being the face of NPO's crumbling hold on the world with weekly global embarrassments of Pacifica to NPO's first and most dedicated advocate post-Karma not due to anything Pacifica could do for me (nothing) or would do for me (nothing) but because I am a man of priniciple and everything I stood for in opposition to Pacifica for 9 months of Vox required of me that once NPO changed I give it the dedication I did.


I believe we are missing the biggest sin of the NPO here, and its about time somebody mentioned this atrocity.

Brehon hurt Shats feelings. That can not stand.

And I did it happily, not as a matter of dread dogmatic drudgery, but as a would-be friend, setting myself and my fledgling alliance and its promise against the path of everyone who had anything to do with me. Justitia's Cult did not expect dick in return except to be received as we were, a partner and advocate with interests aligned to Pacifica's. But you are exactly right, my fleshless friend, Brehon instead rebuked not simply me, but Justitia's Cult, and Sparta, and AI, and IRON, and Polaris, and, and, and, and

Do you know, Branimir, that when the alliances of Equilibrium said flatly to NPO to stop dragging us to peace before the job was done, your donkey-mouthed Emperor told us that he didn't give a damn and the consequences of the war we were fighting for him were our own problem and didn't mean squat?

Do you know that when Brehon went ape on me in our embassy over the very facts I have outlined here, he denied all of it as OWF propagandizing. Do you know that one month exactly before IRON cancelled on your conniving asses Brehon told me IRON loved him and was completely on board with NPO and to shut my Vox Populi mouth talking on behalf of other people?

So, yuck it up, Branimir, you're either one of the ignorant ones I mentioned, or one of the careless ones, but either way you're reaping the consequences of NPO's inattentiveness to people's feelings. Like every other Schattenmaniac, you can try to make the conversation about me, but reality speaks to full breadth of the problem far louder than my reply or your deflections.

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It is obvious what is going on here, Shatt.

Brehon didnt lead the coalition the way you would have liked him, wanted him, and tried to influence him. Parties that were far, far more aggrieved by Brehons moves carry less venom and dare I say it "butthurt", then you and your cult of Shatt which were micro players with no big stakes except for your enormous ego.

The alliance in which you currently reside, by that note, is a far more aggrieved party then you. Brehon indeed went ape !@#$ on them for their DoW on NG, which was wrong. And yet, Dajoboo, guy far more insulted by NPOs antics in the last war, managed to accept our apology for Brehons behavior and even further, didnt launched a war against NPO for Brehons leadership in the last war (which he could, lets be honest there), but rather other grievances with other alliances. Quite frankly, NPO and NpO had one of the most constructive and honest talks about our part in the history of our relations prior to this war, then at any other time previous I dare say.

And yet, here you stand on yet another propaganda jihad against NPO. Even when hordes are at our door, and the "jig is up". Shooting at the dead horse, at this point. The only way to explain this all is, you wanted to move and shake things and failed due to Brehon. Brehon ignored you. YOU! The travesty. This isn't about anyone else, but just you. So you pin on us every single !@#$@#$ thing you could possibly. Next we know, we will be to blame for global warming.

NPO in its DoW on TOP openly accepted responsibility for our mistakes. You do not often see, alliances in their DoWs saying they are in the wrong and are going to get $%&@ed and that its on them. This need that you have, to constantly highlight our failure which we are aware, is just your hurt ego talking. Our leadership $%&@ed up, we are in a !@#$@#$ hole, and so let the sky fall.

And you. You just rant away, as part of your ego therapy. Its simple, now that the person you hate so much isn't even here to respond. Shooting a fish in a barrel. Have at it, but do not think for a second that people do not understand the underlaying motive here.

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Why are you so obsessed with NPO?

Yes, we ended a war early over everyone's head - but now your coalition has teamed up with the very people that they wanted to "keep fighting", so I can't imagine the concept of peace itself is such a grave offense.

Yes, we shouted and cursed and forced people into a specific line of thinking. But how much damage has us "shouting" caused to you, to your alliance or your coalition? Does it kill of your NS or your members? Does it harm you and your national interest in such a way that demands retaliation?

Actions speak louder than words, and what the NPO has actually *done* rather than said involves trying to *stop* conflict. We tried to *stop* a war on DH tied to *stop* a war on NpO. I don't suppose you would rather have us the other way around, a gentle-speaking and consensus-driven alliance that ruthlessly tries to destroy everything in its path, and if it happens to harm their allies whilst doing so, all be damned?

It is one thing to lay criticism on the NPO for our genuine foreign policy mistakes. It is quite another to act as if we are some kind of reps-imposing, alliance-disbanding, viceroy-installing hegemon out to destroy everyone.

Who has NPO tried to actively and purposefully harm here? (Other than its mistakes backfiring on itself and its allies)

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Like I said, Dream, it looks like GATO was just out of the smoke-filled back rooms loop. That you weren't included doesn't undermine anything I've said. They didn't tell you that I was spying on GATO, either, did they? But I was.

That's exactly the point I'm making: "GATO was just out of the smoke-filled back rooms", because from your narrative, you state "C&G" as a whole, an entity which GATO is a member of. That gives the impression that what you're stating is that GATO partook in these... activities, which is a complete fabrication. But if we're on the same page and have the same understanding that this is not the case, then just fix that little error, and by all means, carry on.

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It is obvious what is going on here, Shatt.

Brehon didnt lead the coalition the way you would have liked him, wanted him, and tried to influence him. Parties that were far, far more aggrieved by Brehons moves carry less venom and dare I say it "butthurt", then you and your cult of Shatt which were micro players with no big stakes except for your enormous ego.

The alliance in which you currently reside, by that note, is a far more aggrieved party then you. Brehon indeed went ape !@#$ on them for their DoW on NG, which was wrong. And yet, Dajoboo, guy far more insulted by NPOs antics in the last war, managed to accept our apology for Brehons behavior and even further, didnt launched a war against NPO for Brehons leadership in the last war (which he could, lets be honest there), but rather other grievances with other alliances. Quite frankly, NPO and NpO had one of the most constructive and honest talks about our part in the history of our relations prior to this war, then at any other time previous I dare say.

And yet, here you stand on yet another propaganda jihad against NPO. Even when hordes are at our door, and the "jig is up". Shooting at the dead horse, at this point. The only way to explain this all is, you wanted to move and shake things and failed due to Brehon. Brehon ignored you. YOU! The travesty. This isn't about anyone else, but just you. So you pin on us every single !@#$@#$ thing you could possibly. Next we know, we will be to blame for global warming.

Like I said, Branimir, you're welcome to sweep the ugly aside by tricking yourself into believing that this is about my ego, but I'm gonna have to tell you, it's a mistake that bigger guys than you have made:

<Brehon[NPO]> So you are telling me now you speak for SF/XX/AM/ML/GO/IRON ?

<Brehon[NPO]> I never said everyone was happy

<Brehon[NPO]> I have never said that.

<Brehon[NPO]> You are working hard to try to put words in my mouth and point out my failures (which I indeed have) and act as if you are some great voice.

<Brehon[NPO]> Spare me the owf poppycock

<SchattenAFK> Oh, here we are, blow me off with the OWF thing.

<Brehon[NPO]> And answer the simple question: What is it you feel I owe you.

<Brehon[NPO]> If I were blowing you off, I wouldn't be talking to you right now.

<SchattenAFK> This is how I speak, I haven't ever spoken differently

<SchattenAFK> In private, and in public

<Brehon[NPO]> But if you have issue with me, then you take YOUR issues with me because you are not the voice of the others, tho you have directly insinuated it here. And if were so in touch and in charge and connected with those alliances, why didn't they say "Schatt is handling it"

<Brehon[NPO]> No you love your pulpit on the OWF, your boards and anywhere there is an extra eye to see it.

. . .

<SchattenAFK> ...what you owe everyone is that the next time you pull together a coalition you put the rulebook by the door rather than keeping it in your back pocket til you decide you're ready.

<Brehon[NPO]> So, you speak for the coalition and not yourself.

<SchattenAFK> You know very well that I am not alone in that sentiment.

<Brehon[NPO]> I have no problem talking with anyone that has those

issues, but I do have issue with you ducking the conversation and not

speaking only for you. You know the only one you really have true say

over.

. . .

<SchattenAFK> You want so badly for it to just be me. It's not.

<Brehon[NPO]> No, I know its not just you

<Brehon[NPO]> The difference is, you are the only one try to act as if you are the great voice.

<Brehon[NPO]> As if they can't speak for themselves.

<Brehon[NPO]> This is not Vox and you are not Vox, let it go.

<SchattenAFK> Go &#036;%&amp;@ yourself, Emperor

<SchattenAFK> You keep referring to the goal as justification, but IRON and Ai weren't even on the same page with you.

<Brehon[NPO]> I didn't ignore IRON

<Brehon[NPO]> and I will ask them quite directly about the sentiments you are voicing for them and see if they agree. In my talks with them since the war, I have asked, I have directly asked. But I will bring this concern yet again to them.

<Brehon[NPO]> So at this point you are telling me two of my M level treaty partners, once which I am chained to, were blowing smoke up my ass?

<Brehon[NPO]> one rather, not once

<SchattenAFK> Yours or mine.

<Brehon[NPO]> Its simple, I will ask them.

^April 16

As of May 19th, 2013, NPO was informed of the cancellation of "The Revelation Accords".

This isn't Schattenmann's ego takes a pen for a walk.

NPO in its DoW on TOP openly accepted responsibility for our mistakes. You do not often see, alliances in their DoWs saying they are in the wrong and are going to get &#036;%&amp;@ed and that its on them. This need that you have, to constantly highlight our failure which we are aware, is just your hurt ego talking. Our leadership &#036;%&amp;@ed up, we are in a &#33;@#&#036;@#&#036; hole, and so let the sky fall.

You point to NPO taking responsibility, yet you are royally pissed that I'm talking about it. I think maybe you just need more time to let responsibility sink in.

And you. You just rant away, as part of your ego therapy. Its simple, now that the person you hate so much isn't even here to respond. Shooting a fish in a barrel. Have at it, but do not think for a second that people do not understand the underlaying motive here.

Brehon's existence or not hasn't got anything to do with my timing, but if you're worried about him being unable to defend himself, let's see what he had to say about my issues, which he replied to. Get ready, though, because if you think I've got an ego, hold onto your butt:

Yes, you did beg Ai and NPO to take charge. Both Ai and NPO opted to give the coalition room. Was this a mistake? Absolutely. So much so at one point I was ready to walk away because you all acted like children with a dream list of show &#33;@#&#036;%* you could be to DH. This had so much fire, in so many directions it caused a friend of mine [QueenHailee] to leave because everyone was acting like children. I realized based on that we had to have someone to take charge, so I did.

I did not "on my own" as you claim start talks with DH. I spoke NE, IRON was, and remains persona non grata to this situation or activity since week 2 of the war. NE came up with the terms/counter terms and I delivered them. Don't get it twisted that me acting as the voice and having to corral the issue suddenly means I was doing it for my person.

So ending the war before it hit its completion make my decision dumb. Okay. So now we run into the issue of who's version of dumb do we use? Who gets to make that call. I guess it gets down to the guy that stepped up, considering that guy knew the original reasons for war and what the goals of that war were/are. So much so that same guy posted a very lengthy post explaining the why. The fact that you disagree with my report and view on the issues simply makes my decision dumb because it didn't fit YOUR agenda. Forget that it fit the agenda of Ai, NPO, IRON (by proxy) and the original declaring alliances. I have the authority to make that call. I was asked to use that authority. Like I told you, you just dont like WHEN I used that authority.

Don't give a me a line, or anyone else about people agendas not being met. That coalition was not for Polar agenda's, Legion agenda's, Fark Agendas, Sparta agenda's or COJ agendas. It was for Ai agenda's. Let us not forget they were the aggrieved party.

So in the end, you are simply pissed becuase other personal agenda's that crept in and through the coalition I set aside. I did. I would do it again when they put Ai, NPO and the whole purpose of the war at risk.

Fact: We could not continue they way we were.

Fact: The ending didn't empower Umbrella, people just weren't able to "grind them to dust" because 450k + tech is so easy to replace so is the 20+ members they lost.

Fact: DH doesn't have the power. The fact SF/XX/Aftermath have a worry there, is THEIR political problem and exists completely outside the coalition.

Fact: War goals were met.

Fact: Our slot coverage was dropping every single week.

Fact: For every bit of damage being done to Umbrella and everyone else, Ai was taking equal damage

So, if w eare going to dance this dance, lets put it all on the table and not pick and choose the parts we want to expose. We leave that to the likes of DoomHouse. If that is the way you want me to handle it, let me know, I will pick juicy parts that completely skew the issues at hand.

had to make hte tough decision. I did and don't right give a &#33;@#&#036; if its not liked. I know I did what was right for the cause and reason of the coalition.

Why are you so obsessed with NPO?

"How can get away from the subject at hand, oh! Talk about Schattenmann!"

It is one thing to lay criticism on the NPO for our genuine foreign policy mistakes. It is quite another to act as if we are some kind of reps-imposing, alliance-disbanding, viceroy-installing hegemon out to destroy everyone.

Maybe you're reading someone else's blog and then replying to mine. If you want to talk about what I've actually written in this blog, I'll be here.

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I find it ironic (and cute) that a decades-old ally of NPO [thinks he] has anything at all to say about self-serving perspectives. You are entitled to sense your irony, but it is grounded in your subjective relationship to NPO, where others would find no contradiction at all in accepting our parts in the arguments while knowing it was NPO who opened the rift.

It figures that it is my AA and its involvement in this war that really bothers you in misinterpreting what I have said (I have repeatedly acknowledged the parts that have merit), given my views are actually very similar to others like Roadie, who you are happy to agree with. Indeed, I have used similar arguments to defend Polar in embassy discussions with third parties, back when it was being targeted.

NATO played a small role in setting up EQ by being one of the few alliances willing to reach out to the Beerosphere via R&R (which had a key role in organising for the C&G front) prior to the Dave War. The EQ War did not end the way I hoped for either, but it is a sunk cost now (albeit rather large for NATO, particularly given the significant upper tier updeclares in the first wave), and I don’t have the luxury of dwelling on it like you do. Instead, I accept there were mistakes, but I also accept responsibility for NATO’s role. Our involvement in this war reflects that, albeit not in the way I would have preferred.

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What is your aim, Shatt? Seriously, what do you want? Just cut to the core-- own up.

Brehon didnt lead the coalition to your wishes. That is his main crime with you, that is obvious. I have read all of your material, and I fail to see why NPO ends up in your rants as-- devil incarnate.

Brehon, played a game of kings. Played for the throne, devised a plan to do it. Allies with which to achieve it. Plan blew up. Didn't pan out. Nothing worked, really. Ended him unable to suit all interests, ended him stepping on toes. Ended him, not sensitive enough for others. But, he didn't forced draconian things of our past. NPO messed up in its role last war. Our own bad, that lead us to our own current predicament.

We said so ourselves. We made it clear ourselves.

But game for the throne, is played now. Its played constantly. And it can not be played without stepping on toes. Its been done-- right now! And it leaves always-- somebody ranting like you are now. What has then, Brehon did that is so unforgivable on the scale of history of that power struggle, that you need now, at a point where all has collapsed-- he is gone, his alliance is being rolled, its allies are getting rolled-- to be on this propaganda jihad. Further highlighted by the very fact that your are hardly the most hurt party in this story, and yet you are doing the most whining. What do you want to prove, what people do not already know. Oh,... I know-- he &#33;@#&#036;@#&#036; hurt you enormous ego, ffs.

So, I return to my starting question? What do you want, besides healing your ego. You want to further demonize us, like we just genocide the CN, far beyond proportions of our actual mistakes? So we end up isolated like after "karma"? You want to shun us? Is that it? You want to, 'drive in the message' for it? You want to flaunt our failings? Do you want an apology for your hurt feelings? Is that it? Do you want a &#33;@#&#036;@#&#036; hug?

Tell us-- own up. What is it.

NPO, made mistakes in the last war and post war, which lead to our current predicament. Those mistakes, while aggrieved some-- did not leave us as devil incarnate. They left us as losers of the power game, and as insensitive to certain subjects. They have a right to be pissed if they want to. However, as much you wanna perhaps try to demonize us overly so, try to shun us, force us to cover ourselves with ash-- we didn't do anything unprecedentedly 'evil' or unforgivably terrible.

And once we are defeated and rolled, eliminated from the throne game by cutting politics. Uneasy partnerships will remain in the new world forming, new players for the throne crystallized, the thing repeated. We, in what shape we shall be left, will not be loved, but neither despised-- we shall be used as just a figurine which can come in handy for the new big players. And they will step on toes, be not caring at moments, force their interests. And people will moan.

Perhaps, if one of them hurt your ego again like Brehon did by not being able to be molded by you-- you will rant so as you are doing right now.

No Shatt, I am not pissed at your new/old jihad against us. I am just again surprised and somewhat perplexed by the enormity of your own sense of grander. But please, carry on. Tell how we killed baby seals, and covered oceans in oil. Go ahead.

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It figures that it is my AA and its involvement in this war that really bothers you in misinterpreting what I have said (I have repeatedly acknowledged the parts that have merit),

Oh, please, Humphrey. In every response you've made, you implied that I had an agenda, then you turn around and get puffy when I point out you're not exactly objective. Give me a break.

given my views are actually very similar to others like Roadie, who you are happy to agree with. Indeed, I have used similar arguments to defend Polar in embassy discussions with third parties, back when it was being targeted.

roadie hasn't made any implications about my motives, he hasn't actually replied directly to me, whether or not he's at war makes no difference bc TPF is as allied to NPO as NATO, and roadie's replies haven't diminished NPO's centrality to the issues that rocked EQ (he hasn't addressed the issue at all).

You keep saying we agree, then make point, and I reply. That's all. We've both said it now: We both know the problems, we each put the manifestation of them in a different location.

What is your aim, Shatt? Seriously, what do you want? Just cut to the core-- own up.

If it's unclear, I do apologize to you and the rest of the readers, I thought it was rather clear.

This is a discussion that has not been had in public heretofore, but it is central to the war at hand. You and I were there, so it's old hat for you, but there happen to currently be hundreds of rulers at war with no idea of this aspect of current events. I'm a news man, Branimir.

devil incarnate.

propaganda jihad.

further demonize us, like we just genocide the CN,

However, as much you wanna perhaps try to demonize us overly so, try to shun us, force us to cover ourselves with ash

Tell how we killed baby seals, and covered oceans in oil. Go ahead.

Grow up.

So we end up isolated like after "karma"? You want to shun us?

Actually, I think that NPO has a lot to give the world, that's why I spent more time working with NPO than I ever did against.

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If the NPO winds up isolated in much the same way it did after Karma, you have nobody to blame but yourselves. Acting as if anybody is obsessed with you just because they have offered an analysis of events leading to your spectacular downfall is disingenuous at best and downright insidious at worst. Brehon, much like any former or current leader of the NPO, has lied and cheated their way into a position of power only to alienate those they needed to stay in power and their mistakes are a matter of public record. Open to discussion, debate and analysis. Your anger toward people outside the NPO who choose to discuss these matters clearly indicates you haven't accepted responsibility for the mistakes you have made if you spend your time vehemently attacking and seeking to discredit those who mention them in public discourse. It indicates that the NPO has learned nothing. And that, in and of itself, is not a revelation I find to be surprising.

I do not agree with Schattenmann most of the time. Our worldviews are drastically different. But things such as this are irrefutable to even the most seasoned of politicians. Brehon mismanaged the entire war on eQ's 'behalf' and it is not a surprise that the former parties of that coalition along with the remnants of DH have put aside our differences to strike at a common enemy and threat to our securities. You can pout about it and beg us to stop being 'mean' to the NPO, which is how every single one of these displays of incredulous anger from the Imperial Officers and Body Republic parrots is easily perceived, whenever somebody decides to offer insight to the bad decision making which has catapulted your 'resurgent empire' into the pavement at such an impressive speed.

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NPO made a dumb move last war, I don't think there is any denying that. Although to use that as reason to align with those we were fighting and thought NPO let off too easy with peace terms is ridiculous. Which seems to be what many former EQ alliances are doing.

The new NPO overly lenient towards defeated opponents? Better align with all those alliances we were just fighting to help them teach NPO a lesson on why being lenient with the losers is bad. :facepalm:

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The NPO wasn't being lenient on anybody. They made their underhanded agreements with certain parties in an attempt to cement their position post war. Look at how that turned out.

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NPO made a dumb move last war, I don't think there is any denying that. Although to use that as reason to align with those we were fighting and thought NPO let off too easy with peace terms is ridiculous. Which seems to be what many former EQ alliances are doing.

The new NPO overly lenient towards defeated opponents? Better align with all those alliances we were just fighting to help them teach NPO a lesson on why being lenient with the losers is bad. :facepalm:

Again, I have not heard any person or AA planning an attack on NPO to begin with, rather, NG began floating a war on Polaris very soon after EQ, and NSO along with them. Polaris quickly moved to counter this and there were plenty of AA' s either with an axe to grind with NG and/or NSO or feeling insecure (for example CoJ was aware what someone in EQ told the enemy that we were the wrench in the handshake plan, and NPO had told SF and XX that they were on their own postwar) to hitch their wagon to Polaris.

Any "punishment" of NPO is a result of their over reach and resulting position as a satellite of C&G. In Branimir's terms, they played the game of kings, but they overplayed it and lost everything, which is why I chose the musical theme that I did. Ai was ruined and IRON cancelled on NPO, so DR was lost to NPO. C&G never made good on their assurances to NPO to cancel on DH constituents. Thus relegated, NPO is simply a victim of circumstance, or a nice bonus. We're not punishing NPO for being lenient, which is absurd in- and of itself because almost everyon in EQ wanted no terms (like NPO), just a longer war (unlike NPO).

As for aligning with ex-DH elements, TOP is on a deliberate new path, but the leaks torpedoed their efforts at an independent movement; on the flipside, it would be stupid for Polaris to ignore the pickup. TOP's treaties are their own business in the interim. Cronyism is clearly at play there, but for the time being that's just how the planet works. If problems arise later by those AAs feeling emboldened, I would expect and advocate a reevaluation of treaties with them.

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The NPO wasn't being lenient on anybody. They made their underhanded agreements with certain parties in an attempt to cement their position post war. Look at how that turned out.

The characterization of "underhanded agreements" is absurd. You are trying WAY too hard to tow a party line here my old friend. Underhanded , inherently implies secret and clandestine agreements... agreements which bring harm to those they are fighting alongside. Not one person who listened to ONE SINGLE MINUTE of Brehon on Bootleg could make the claim that he did anything underhanded. In the end, he did what he said he would do.

The REALLY ironic thing , my friend, is that when the 1st terms were originally presented, Brehon took a private beating in OUR coalition channels for NOT doing what he said he would do on the various bootleg shows. The hilarity? Many of the same people who were crying and screaming at the initial terms being nothing close to how he said he would handle the end of a war... are now the same people lining up to agree with the condemnation of how the war ended. Christ it is nothing short of moronic.

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I listened to some of his shows, and they were all vitriolic foaming at the mouth whining and threatening to attack your allies for moronic reasons. Even going so far as to say he didn't care what CnG thought about him hitting their allies. He was a fumbling moron who was incapable of opening his mouth and not sounding like some deranged, ego maniacal psychopath.

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Great read, Schatt. You should consider a career in fiction because you're well suited for it.

The fact is that your coalition was unable to break the will of its adversaries -- despite its statistical superiority. Every day that the war dragged on, the incompetence of the "Equilibrium" Coalition was put on display.

Don't blame NPO for rescuing you from yourself.

Your narrative is compelling, though, and your fantasies tell us much about the psychology of groupthink and shared hallucinations.

-Craig

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