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Nobody gives a $%&@ about TDO, people just want to get in their free shots against MK.

Title sounds like something out of a porno. Not sure it'd be one worth watching.

I don't recall any neutral alliance asking for help.

So pure coincidence that within 15 minutes of GOP declaring war, Rooman was already bragging about VEs support and he even referenced umbrella. Just because its not asked publicly doesn't mean there aren't pages upon pages of back channel whining and pleading from TDO.

And just because you pre arrange it doesn't mean you yourself didn't ask for backup. How do you stand being a neutral, good god? It's like the u.s. senate with all its hypocrisy and inaction.

Can't say this was unexpected, but it doesn't make it any less stupid by the alliances who are defending TDO. "Lets defend an alliance who hasn't gave a !@#$ about us or any alliance for its 6/7 years of existence!". I'm not complaining, the TTE and CCC nations that have attacked me/that I have attacked have increased my warchest by $6,000,000.

Although I do wonder if TDO has promised something to TTE. Most likely not, but hey, the GOP has broken it's neutrality. Anything can happen.

I'd tend to agree with HoT here. Defending TDO isn't really the goal here. It's taking shots at a bunch of fools who are as shameless now that their alliance is disbanded as they were shameless when they were on top.

So pure coincidence that within 15 minutes of GOP declaring war, Rooman was already bragging about VEs support and he even referenced umbrella. Just because its not asked publicly doesn't mean there aren't pages upon pages of back channel whining and pleading from TDO.

And just because you pre arrange it doesn't mean you yourself didn't ask for backup. How do you stand being a neutral, good god? It's like the u.s. senate with all its hypocrisy and inaction.

DBDC decided to start hurling threats immediately after our DoW. I simply noted in IRC that I was curious to see how an Umbrella protectorate declaring on a VE protectorate would play out (though that's exactly what we expect to happen), given the relationship of our respective protectors. That's hardly "bragging," but you have an interesting way of twisting events to make them seem exponentially more sinister than they are.

And, quite the opposite from "begging for VE's support," we told them we'd understand if (and mostly expected that) our taking the offensive meant they would stay out of the conflict. Goldie can confirm.

If anyone's interested in our motives or our brand of neutrality, all they have to do is read our half-decade old charter, or the 3-year old Don't Tread on Me Doctrine which clearly states that we reserve the right, to preserve and protect our own way of life, to combat unwarranted attacks on neutrality - like MQ's "jihad" against the "neutral infidels" - because they represent a direct threat to our own peace and security. It's a pretty uncomplicated concept, really.

Nobody gives a $%&@ about TDO, people just want to get in their free shots against MK.

Basically this.

well technically we are not an Umbrella protectorate, if you go back to that original announcement you'll note that we declared we'd protect Umbrella :3

Nobody gives a $%&@ about TDO, people just want to get in their free shots against MK.

Agreed.

I'd tend to agree with HoT here. Defending TDO isn't really the goal here. It's taking shots at a bunch of fools who are as shameless now that their alliance is disbanded as they were shameless when they were on top.

Say what you will about MK, but they were many times more successful in this game than your alliance is likely to ever be.

I really doubt that any neutral "decided they needed the help of nobody because they'd never be in a war". At any rate, I talked with several neutrals during my years in CN and I don't recall a single one ever saying anything even remotely similar to that stance. Maybe they just hide and conspire when I don't look, who knows?

I am similarly skeptical about neutrals "shunning and laughing at" anyone's allies. Can you please point to some significant instance in which that would have happened?

How does someone being neutral hurt you now? Neutral things are by definition nonreactive. Neutral alliances don't spurn you or your friends. They don't go out to of their way to join you, but they don't spurn you. They respect that you want to make alliances and go to war and all they ask is that you respect that you don't want to go to war. That does not seem like too much of a request for me.

Say what you will about MK, but they were many times more successful in this game than your alliance is likely to ever be.

Disliking MK and disputing their accomplishments are two different things entirely. I'm not going to dispute the MK has been widely successful in the last several years. That's a given, and any look at the 3-4 wars prior to Eq will prove that.

On the other hand: while on their road to success, many of their members, particularly the public voices, were some of the more distasteful individuals to play this game ranging from OOC attacks to being general !@#$%bags. I assume you never really got an opportunity to gain that kind of understanding, considering it was your alliance enabling such actions, but that's aside the point.

Like I said, I won't take away from MK's accomplishments, but any objective look at the way they carried themselves screams "We're scummy people!"

Disliking MK and disputing their accomplishments are two different things entirely. I'm not going to dispute the MK has been widely successful in the last several years. That's a given, and any look at the 3-4 wars prior to Eq will prove that.

On the other hand: while on their road to success, many of their members, particularly the public voices, were some of the more distasteful individuals to play this game ranging from OOC attacks to being general !@#$%bags. I assume you never really got an opportunity to gain that kind of understanding, considering it was your alliance enabling such actions, but that's aside the point.

Like I said, I won't take away from MK's accomplishments, but any objective look at the way they carried themselves screams "We're scummy people!"

Yeah, Crymson wouldn't know anything about MK screwing him over.

Nobody gives a $%&@ about TDO, people just want to get in their free shots against MK.

QFT... apart from the free bit

DBDC decided to start hurling threats immediately after our DoW.

Hurling threats since 2013.