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The funniest thing about this war


Enamel32

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So the war's in full swing. Only a couple surrenders so far. Both coalitions are trying to propagandize their way to victory.

I'd like to take a step back a minute and break down what DH/Umbrella, is saying out there. They're trying to make the case that they've won in the upper tier. And hands down, I think Umbrella will have an upper tier victory if this war lasts only a short duration, but regardless of the war's duration, what about CnG? What about VE? They don't have Upper tiers like Umbrella. Competence may get an upper tier victory, but what does that mean for the nations that make up the majority of their coalition?

It doesn't take very long to stumble on a post like Cuba's, where he says Umbrella is basically saving themselves at the expense of their coalition.

Went ahead and tallied up my wars (had to interpolate a bit since a few were deleted/not registered) and I've done a collective 425k NS damage to my opponents. That's more than certain entire AA's out there. Just because I finished my task before the "shark tank (lol)" could kill my AA-mates doesn't mean I've not done some heavy lifting. Quite the contrary sir, we've actually statistically eliminated the entire enemy super tier, and most of its remaining upper tier, thereby securing our own security for the next, I dunno, 3 years?

So, Umbrella super tier is going to sit around and do nothing, while CnG/VE and friends get smashed into oblivion. For three years he says!

A little bit later, we find another doosey

This war won't last forever, nobody wants that. But we still have some fight left in us, and we are making this war as painful for you as possible. We may lose, but in the meantime we are decimating your upper tiers. Like I said, we can rebuild our lower and middle tiers a lot easier than you can rebuild your upper tiers.

Translation: Don't worry CnG, that 650,000 tech lost is easily replaceable. There's plenty of tech sellers out there. (right?) Heck Look at Umb, we have no trouble getting tech. And besides, we'll aid you a billion dongs, after we first aid Goons a billion dongs of course, and the world will be at peace once again. -_-

Let's get one thing straight, CnG. Umbrella does not give a damn about you. These two posts alone imply that, and there's many signals beyond that. These posts implicitly concede CnG is getting stomped, but that's ok because Umbrella isn't getting stomped, and even though CnG may be permanently mangled, Umbrella will be able to 'forever bask in super nation glory'. CnG being the selfless bloc that they are, that's all that matters, right? Right?

ODN/INT, You guys are going to learn a hard lesson that it took sparta far too long to learn. I know you're excited. Umb probably gave you a special forum mask. They probably talk to you everyday on IRC. And dat avgNS. Who could

forget that avgNS. What else could you want in such a great ally?

The truth is Umb is !@#$@#$ you in the ass. Once they're done using you and you decide to call them on it, they're going to try and make you feel better with future promises, monetary aid or both. First, Let me be clear, It's not realistic to send you enough monetary aid to anywhere near cover your political and pixel damages. Umbrella has this mindset, where if you have an avgns less than them, they'll send you a few million dongs and somehow you'll magically be "strong" once again. CnG, You're not goons. No amount of money is going to cover your losses. They're making an offer no idiot will accept, so they can say that they tried to help you in the future if you complain. Despite the fact that they know the offer is garbage, and have no real intention of making good on the offer anyway. I've heard relationships with Umbrella be described as abusive, and that really is a perfect word to describe it. Unfortunately, I think it's something you have to really experience to fully understand, but hey, I'm doing my best to tip you off early. Second of all, they're not going to keep their future promises. They're going to do what's best for them, at. all. times. I could pull up posts of JA and crew blatantly saying history doesn't matter and instances of them going against their word to save their own skin, but I won't drag up old news.

If you think I'm !@#$%^&*ting you, ask MHA, Ask Alpha Omega, ask any of Umbrella's former allies. After Roq left, Umbrella has completely lost perspective on the world. They only think about themselves, and Umbrella posts show that they haven't changed a single bit. They're going to throw your whole bloc under the bus, so they can "buy themselves 3 more years on top". Use your head and read into what they are saying. Actions speak louder than words, and right now their actions are saying they have every intention to do you no service.

G.I. Joe sums up my recommendations to CnG/VE pretty well:

tl;dr The funniest part of this war, is that if CnG/VE don't pull their head out of their butt, they may find themselves amongst the ranks of Invicta and Legion, when they were joined at the hip with '09 NPO.

Good night and good luck all

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If C&G/VE disagree about Umbrella giving a $&$& about them.... Well... Time will tell if they are right... I actually prefer that they keep believing...

This is particularly true beause history tells that alliances/spheres are usually rolled twice and in a sequence. It would be interesting to see how C&G/VE would take the unavoidable second beating if they keep close to DH.

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You don't have to presume anything. How dense are you? I said I will take it. You're the one backing out on your offer.

You see, you're wrong about us. We don't just care about tech or or stats. We are built like we are because we have commitment and resolve. We care about our friends and we don't like taking s*** from NPO and their cronies. You on the other hand just talk and don't back it up.

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Speaking of getting out of threads, if you're gonna use my comments, take them at face value, and don't try to put a propagandist spin on them. There is zero correlation between my damage output and the grave concern I have over the long-term stability of my alliance and allies.

I'm flattered that you think enough of my comments' weight to headline this rant, but if it's just gonna be a conjecture-fest to follow, with no basis for reason, please don't quote me anymore.

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Sorry Cuba, I didn't see your post pop up. My above post was intended for bhane. Anyway, Sorry bruh, it's the internet and I'll quote you if I want to. :P If you don't want to be quoted.....I guess....don't post.

I'm making this blog entree and ya'll are trying to twist my words. Bhane is trying to play my hand for 650M (lol), but I'm not getting bent out of shape about it!

I'm not putting a propagandist spin on anything. I'm quoting what you said, and I'm saying what I think of it based on my own perspective and experiences with your alliance. You are more than welcome to make your own blog, and set the record straight, but I'm going to say what I want to say, and that's that. Everyone else get's to say what they want on these boards, why don't I get to say what I want to say?

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Oh dear. XX should try to take C&G on their own before they get all mouthy. You had to bring along all your friends before you would even dare try, and it will come back to bite you.

It is evident you are not a person that knows strategy.

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Not to sure how the OP's quotes equates to abandoning allies. All I got from the quotes were "We are winning the upper tier war, and once it is secured, we will aid bomb this !@#$ out of our coalition". Which is true. Umb's billion dollar/euro/yen/whatever war-chest will increase their allies war-chest at minimum 12 million every 10 days, not to mention TOP's and MK's and NG's top guy's war-chests.

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tl;dr The funniest part of this war, is that if CnG/VE don't pull their head out of their butt, they may find themselves amongst the ranks of Invicta and Legion, when they were joined at the hip with '09 NPO.

Maybe, but as a result of this war there's already a pretty sharp strength disparity that actually favors C&G rather than DH. I don't expect C&G to lead anyone or anything, let alone DH, but it will be very interesting to mointor that relationship in the post-war period, especially considering the links C&G has to the NPO-DR sphere.

If C&G does get to a point of resenting DH and commits more decisively to NPO-DR, then DH/VE/TOP would be rendered more or less impotent and dependent on NG or some new, unforseeable relationships. There were already rumors of some kind of pre-war arrangement that would see C&G make that move (which I don't necessarily buy into at all).

But at this point it does seem more likely that C&G ends up embittered toward EQ and forms even deeper ties with DH, hopefully ditching vestigial ties to NPO-DR in the process. If that's the case then we'll probably see this war again in 6-12 mo. as many have predicted.

Or hey, maybe this war just goes on forever until everyone is so beaten down that even the winners are just the last ones standing in a wasteland dominated by the neutrals. I think we've seen about enough political shifts and now we can just get down to the endgame.

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In truth, the relationship between C&G and DH isn't what is going to define future wars. The true fate of Planet Bob is intertwined in the fate of the 'Middle Powers'. A Derp rush they may be, but the chaining of MDPs via well-connected Alliances has always been the key to having history on your 'side'. Dave War appears to have hurt Goonhouse harder than their opponents, diplomacy-wise (something that has never been their strong suit) and it increasingly seems that their allies (let alone enemies) are performing far better in that field.

Will that spell their doom? I doubt it. Killing GOONS is like trying to kill a clown. And you can't keep down the clown.

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There's no possible way you are this stupid. It's simple reading comprehension.

Thank you, for summarizing this entire blog entree:

CnG/VE and DH allies, There's no possible way you are this stupid. It's simple reading comprehension.

OP could have been so much shorter. :>

Maybe, but as a result of this war there's already a pretty sharp strength disparity that actually favors C&G rather than DH. I don't expect C&G to lead anyone or anything, let alone DH, but it will be very interesting to mointor that relationship in the post-war period, especially considering the links C&G has to the NPO-DR sphere.

If C&G does get to a point of resenting DH and commits more decisively to NPO-DR, then DH/VE/TOP would be rendered more or less impotent and dependent on NG or some new, unforseeable relationships. There were already rumors of some kind of pre-war arrangement that would see C&G make that move (which I don't necessarily buy into at all).

But at this point it does seem more likely that C&G ends up embittered toward EQ and forms even deeper ties with DH, hopefully ditching vestigial ties to NPO-DR in the process. If that's the case then we'll probably see this war again in 6-12 mo. as many have predicted.

Or hey, maybe this war just goes on forever until everyone is so beaten down that even the winners are just the last ones standing in a wasteland dominated by the neutrals. I think we've seen about enough political shifts and now we can just get down to the endgame.

Excellent post. I understand this is CN, so crazier things are possible, but I think it would be kind of unfair that CnG become embittered towards EQ. Outside of TOP and MK, TLR/CnG was the primary manufacturer of both TOP-NpO and Dave war. While this war happened for innumerable reasons, I'd say this war is partly retribution for that. At a minimum, it has played into the hands of XX/SF and Co.

And yes, I heard those rumors as well. I'm not sure. I think there's a hint of truth in any wide spread rumor. The trick is knowing how much truth. I think outside of government of CnG, there is a significant amount of truth in the rumors. And like I was saying in a prior post, governments are ultimately under the control of their membership. If membership doesn't see benefit of being allied to DH, then governments may find they don't have a membership to govern anymore. How long will it take for membership to figure out they are being led down a path of pointless destruction? Well, that's really the question in my mind. Will it take longer than 1 war? Maybe. Who knows, maybe DH will coax them well enough. When Sparta was allied to NPO, by my recollection, Sparta membership turned on NPO quite a while before upper government did. And well, we all know how magnificently that turned out for us .The war was months away, and peace time defections, all for the sole purpose of roguing or spying NPO, where off the charts. (the longer I play this game, the more defections I learn about, heh) I remember an instance in particular, an NPO diplomat stopped by our forums and got lambasted, completely unprovoked, by our membership. I felt bad for that NPO diplomat, they were very nice. Iirc, several members of the alliance were reprimanded for that as well. Anyway I digress, my point is, ultimate power is not in the talking heads, and if membership wants a modified FA path, it will happen, even if it's very ugly. Whatever happens, yes, postwar will be very very interesting. I'd be fine with endgame. :D Thanks for your post.

In truth, the relationship between C&G and DH isn't what is going to define future wars. The true fate of Planet Bob is intertwined in the fate of the 'Middle Powers'. A Derp rush they may be, but the chaining of MDPs via well-connected Alliances has always been the key to having history on your 'side'. Dave War appears to have hurt Goonhouse harder than their opponents, diplomacy-wise (something that has never been their strong suit) and it increasingly seems that their allies (let alone enemies) are performing far better in that field.

Will that spell their doom? I doubt it. Killing GOONS is like trying to kill a clown. And you can't keep down the clown.

Yep, that certainly may be the reality. Thanks for the comment.

Kinda sad, your rebuttal goes with all of Co's argument here. What selfish people, aiding an ally.

Dude. Seriously. WTF are you talking about.
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I never said Umbrella was abandoning anyone. Umbrella will remain on the battlefield with all their allies. All I said was that Umbrella's allies are going to be ravaged by wolves, while they won't be. -An outcome they are openly openly accepting.

And great question, why would umbrella help NG? I can't think of any logical reasons. That was the point of my post.

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