The world according to a public servant

No matter which way you slice it, your alliance is still incompetent as *#@$&

I have to disagree with those definitions in relation to the CN world. Given many surrenders we see do not involve terms that place an obligation on either side the distinction above does not really hold water.

Furthermore, by the definition of imposed terms alone, GPF did in fact surrender as the only terms are those placed on GPF. VE has no obligation not to re-enter the war against you. But for reasons below I do not see this as determinate of the status of the end of hostilities.

The difference between surrender and white peace in the CN world is that a surrender is an acknowledgement of defeat, whereas white peace is a decision by both sides not to take hostilities further.

Sometimes this is just because the sides do not want to fight anymore and an attachment of reps will not negate the fact it is a white peace in the CN sense-it is often an acknowledgement of wrongdoing without an acknowledgement of defeat.

Othertimes it is done to spare the losing alliance humiliation or as an acknowledgement that their destruction or reduction was not a primary aim in the war.

However the difference between white peace and surrender is quite a clear one. One is an end to the conflict and the other is a capitulation.

I do not know the facts of the GPF case well enough to comment. But the fact that there is no label in your declaration means this hinges of facts alone-and the fact that would have to be determined (and I have not put thought to) is whether or not the GPF capitulated to VE or not.

You admit you have a bias. Allow me to point one out. You are assuming that "surrender" = something bad. Although I think that most people share that bias, it isn't always the case. From what little I know of this situation, GPF made a mistake and admits that much. In that case, perhaps the honorable thing to do would of been to agree to surrender.

Technically we received offer from them, i believe anyway's this was just to stop hostilities, VE were unlikely to ever attack us as we were on offense, that's why the agreement to not further engage with their forces was from the GPF point of view.

This was in no way a surrender ask any of the VE gov for further conformation if you wish

White peace is not surrender.

However agreeing to more terms beyond white peace is.

White Peace is as you defined, but you will always find somebody who attempts to twist it into a "surrender", or those who use the term simply to convince one to surrender and make doing so an easier pill for them to swallow; therefore still contradicting the definition. More often than not, dubbing WP as a surrender is used as a means to boost morale. I wouldn't waste too much energy on those who misuse the term. If somebody has to call it something else other than what it is, it only reflects on their own inadequacy.

White Peace is as you defined, but you will always find somebody who attempts to twist it into a "surrender", or those who use the term simply to convince one to surrender and make doing so an easier pill for them to swallow; therefore still contradicting the definition. More often than not, dubbing WP as a surrender is used as a means to boost morale. I wouldn't waste too much energy on those who misuse the term. If somebody has to call it something else other than what it is, it only reflects on their own inadequacy.

Well said good sir, I think that you have summed up the point I was trying to get across in a more eloquent manner than I could have done. Thank you.