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Oh God, What Is He Doing Now: Making Hydrogen ITT


Kzoppistan

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So I decided to perform a classic experiment of using electricity to cleave apart the very atoms of existence.

The electrolysis of H2O.

What you need:

  • Glass cup
  • Water
  • Power source
  • Wires
  • NaCl (table salt)

It also helps to have carbon rods to attach the wires to. I didn't, but I did solder much larger gauge copper wires to the ones coming from the cigarette lighter plug in. This is to increase the surface area of the anode and cathode.

For the power source I took an unusual route. I know that anything with a inverter/converter power box made for most small electronics makes the electricity pretty safe. Turns it into DC and greatly reduces the voltage. I probably could have tested it. Nevertheless, I am leery of sticking wires coming from a wall socket into water. I'm a little crazy, not stupid. I'm not nearly careful enough nor sufficiently skilled in the electrical arts to not screw something up and end my career as a mad scientist in a closed casket.

So I used my car jump starter instead. It has a handy cigarette lighter

adapter slot and I scavenged one such adapter for this purpose. The charger boasts of 12 volts but I was a little disappointed to find that my adapter has a resister in it that cuts it down to about 5.43 volts as confirmed by the multimeter. Makes sense, I suppose, seeing as it was designed for a phone or something. Before I clipped off the connector, of course.

Also, I rolled up some cardboard from a soda can box and duct taped it to snugly fit about 6 AA batteries if I wish to throw that in the mix. I also have a 9 volt. Really, combined with the adapter, just enough to shock the piss out of you. But for now I stuck with the 5 volts from the adapter.

The salt greatly assists the process, as pure water is not very conductive at all. The addition of sodium chloride (a side note, actually a metal) turns normal water into an electrolyte, which sort of throws a whole bunch of negative and positive ions into the juice- greatly speeding up the process of oxidization/reduction reaction by increasing the ease at which elections travel through the water and pair with their charged opposite ions. I like to think of it as Chaos Fluid. 3 tablespoons or so for a cup of water, gets it close to saturation.

Now for the magic. Inserting the large gauge copper wires into the solution caused an immediate eruption of hydrogen bubbles from the cathode. Out of the anode comes chlorine gas. I didn't detect much of that, just a few bubbles, nor did I smell anything, but I've read that if you leave it going long enough your apartment/shack/cell will begin to smell like a pool. The brine slowly turns into sodium hydroxide (ha ha, no more collecting ashes for me, I'm industrializing!). A match placed close to the surface creates little sizzling, popping, sounds as the tiny hydrogen bubbles exit the surface of the water.

Neat.

If one were so inclined, the hydrogen and chlorine gasses can be contained and kept for other experiments or just to scare the !@#$ out of your neighbors.

Over all, this was a very fun use of an hour. I'm now working on rigging an apparatus to collect the gasses for long term use. My next step will be to get ahold of some platinum and try to squeeze voltage out of recombining hydrogen and oxygen.

A small note of caution for those that want to reproduce this experiment: a small amount of hydrogen (say, a test tube) is relatively safe. If you light it you'll get a small poof. A lot of hydrogen is... less safe. And, not only that, if you do collect it, make sure it is not mixed with any oxygen whatsoever, as a combination of the two is highly reactive to fire, you would then posses one of the most explosive things the average person could get their hands on. Very volatile. And you may think that missing a few digits is cool now, but let me tell ya- it doesn't score any points with the ladies.

Also, chlorine will kill you.

So watch out for that.

That's all, have fun kids.

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My lawyer has advised me not to speak about that until the case is settled.

But walking into friends' houses with an armload of various things has often prompted an immediate "No! Not in my kitchen. Get out!"

Sheesh, some people have no sense of adventure. :lol1:

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What's especially fun is putting a lit strip of magnesium into an inverted glass of hydrogen. It's like watching a three-inch-long Hindenburg go up in flames in your fingers.

*looks at hands*

WARNING: May lead to permanent, circular scars on one or more index fingers, depending on how many times you do this and whether you decide to switch hands because one of them is already stinging quite badly.

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Ha ha ha, awesome. Very cool. Now I need some magnesium strips. A man after my own heart.

The scars from the magnesium go very well with the various scars I have from trying to cut bagels while they were frozen. (Knife slips, blade skids across knuckle, and owie owie owie owie owie.)

The most fun I've ever had with chemicals was building fertilizer bombs. (This was c. 1984, before Tim McVeigh added a certain stigma to it.) A friend and I mixed up the ingredients in a batch that we thought would be sufficient to blast a picnic table into splinters.

Let's just say that our math was, er, 'off'.

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Young Man.... it's time to consider http://www.tripoli.org/

As soon as I opened the link, I felt a shiver race down my spine.

The scars from the magnesium go very well with the various scars I have from trying to cut bagels while they were frozen. (Knife slips, blade skids across knuckle, and owie owie owie owie owie.)The most fun I've ever had with chemicals was building fertilizer bombs. (This was c. 1984, before Tim McVeigh added a certain stigma to it.) A friend and I mixed up the ingredients in a batch that we thought would be sufficient to blast a picnic table into splinters.Let's just say that our math was, er, 'off'.

Holy cow... How did you ever get to work next to the government? Sounds reminiscent of the time my friend and I built a catapult out of a shopping cart. Our math was close to non-existent. (hey, what did we know about projectory?) Not nearly as explosive. But it still ended in shared horrified looks and a quick beating of feet.

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Be very careful with Chlorine, if you are about to get more than a minuscule quantity. It is a gas that can not only make your apartment smell like a pool, it is also a gas that can land you in a hospital with subsequent permanent pulmonary scarring. If you survive.

How do you intend to go about generating a charge out of the combination of hydrogen and oxygen? The simplest way to combine the two gases is combustion of course, it is also pretty dangerous in anything more than minuscule quantities. You could get a small model engine, from those RC cars.. hookup a makeshift generator to it and get that going? Or.. maybe build a small turbine...and couple the generator rotor to the turbine rotor.

Dangit, you will get me started on the stunts again. :(

edit: For graphite rods: break open a dry cell, they have a graphite rod in them.

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Well actually, while the process to generate electricity from combining the two isn't as exciting as a combustion motor, it is, perhaps, more interesting at an electrochemical level. The platinum breaks apart the pairs of hydrogen molecules into positive and negative ions at one of the electrodes, repelling the positive ones while attracting the negative ones to the surface, due to what is happening at the other electrode. While at the other, oxygen, seeking to recombine, pulls electrons from that electrode and then combines with the hydrogen to create water. Having lost those electrons to the oxygen molecule, it then draws the ones from the other side through the wire, as metal is more conductive than water. Thus you have a charge for which to do work.

*Edit: Thanks for the tip, though I did know that they contained graphite rods (not that I'm that smart, I just read about it a few days ago. XD), but I don't have any spare batteries to destroy. Very poor. :(

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[chemmajor]Sodium chloride is a salt, not a metal. I'm pretty sure if you did this with a copper cathode and a non reactive (graphite) anode, used distilled water, and a very miniscule space between the two, you could safely produce hydrogen gas with only -.52+-.83= 1.35 V, (with a copper hydroxide byproduct). Using iron or another easily oxidized metal would be faster and would probably use less voltage (if it didn't ignite the hydrogen).

The hydrolysis you were trying is much better at making HCl and NaOH (the classic acid and bases) I believe, and might even be how they produce it industrially (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloralkali_process)

The hydrogen and chloride need to be combusted (which is really easy, I believe) and the HCl(gas) needs to be dissolved into water. If you actually wanted to get both, you'd have to set up an apparatus which has a high voltage and no reaction to bases, and above the solution, you'd have to have a warm tube leading into (distilled) water. The brine solution can be cycled by emptying the bottom of it first (NaOH solutions are more dense)until you get enough (this would speed up the process as well).

If you want hydrogen, just get some NaOH or Draino and put aluminum foil in it. MUCH easier.

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Very interesting, thanks for the lesson.

And you're right, sodium chloride is a salt, but sodium by itself is an alkali metal, I should have specified. I assume that its metallic nature is why it acts as an ionic compound?

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kind of, and also because its paired with a halide. the ionicness is because the difference of electronegativity.

Basically: look at a periodic table. Far left + far right=ionic. and thus a salt.

Also, sodium metal is cool. Cutting shiny metal with a butter knife :awesome:

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If all you want is hydrogen gas it's much simpler (although a bit hazardous) to produce it by putting aluminum foil in muriatic acid.

If your main goal is learning electrolysis, carry on.

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