Shadow's Vault

Wait so we have two pages of arguing, and the only thing that makes any sense is VE got a little roughed up by Polar, then went to the NPO front, Declared on Avalon who were told 21 more days of war and white peace.. So Avalon came up with a great strategy to stay in PM till the last minute then come out dumping as much nook damage as possible, and VE was like oh noes, someone out smarted us, now we have to derail peace... Did I get that right? Usually when alliances say you have to fight "xx" more days, its because you want to do as much damage as possible to them to make paying any reps if assigned harder for them to pay. Its for the side curbstomping the little guys to get as much tech and land as possible while still demanding more. Its the strategy to bleed the losing side dry. However, no one actually said, hey you have to have so and so amount of nations out of peace to fight... so Avalon did the smart thing, and used a blitz to cause as much damage as possible... Hmmm.. Poor VE got out fox'd by the little guy for once and didn't like it.. am i wrong?

Yes, you are wrong. We never made an agreement with Avalon about their 21 days. Once we found out about it, we simply said that that was not an arrangement we would be interested in going along with, and welcomed our coalition to make an entirely separate peace that did not involve VE and Avalon, especially since they had just decided to bring people out of peace mode for the first time and actually make it a real war. Our stance was, they can peace out like everyone else, or simply not get the peace they wanted and were expecting from DH. Later we were asked if we would simply accept a white peace with them and allow them to go along with the 21 days with everyone else, which was fine.

If you actually read, you would find out I said I was near finals and not paying attention to CN, specifically noting that we wouldn't have even noticed the retardation of that term

Dear Doomhouse, Impero thinks you are a retard (and that's saying something.)

if Avalon didn't come out of peace and hit 4 dudes. Aka, my disagreement with the term was formed in about 15 minutes and pretty much the opposite of what you were trying to get at in your tantrum above, and that's because I was too busy in real life to remember that it existed until then (which is why in my first post I said I can't lay it all on their feet and its partially my fault for being inactive, seriously you need to actually read before you start this stuff buddy). Don't respond all foaming at the mouth

I don't really have anything to say about the stuff in that quote, I broke up the post here so that everyone else can giggle along with me as Impero accuses me of foaming at the mouth and then launches into his own crazed tirade.

if your not even going to read what you're responding to, you end up wasting your time writing up a big post of crap that has literally no bearing on the conversation whatsoever. What's clownish here is you stroking out because you tried to play the gotcha game again with us and came up empty. Did you realize it made absolutely zero sense that an alliance as heavily engaged as we were would actually give a !@#$ about 4 wars? Or have you been having a rough time and need a little bit of attention? It's ok if you do, don't be upset. If worse comes to worse, you can just make another super special irc room this Saturday night or something like that one time man, it will be fun. Oh, and no Schattenman, people don't laugh about this. People don't care about this because its you freaking out over 4 wars...or are you now mad about the timeline or something. At this point I'm not even sure what your convulsing about actually. Whatever, either way, point is no one cares and your wrong. Guffy- Don't worry about it, like I said before, we have no problem with you guys. Also, it hasn't caused us frustration, making Shattenman publicly loose it is a VE pastime, I'll gladly whip up a couple of posts to that end any day.

You and Goldie's mewling excuses about inacitivity and ignorance cannot hide the facts: Out of all the alliances in Doomhouse's coalition, you are the only one that literally went ape and started threatening reps and unending war when you finally got around to reading the terms that had been on the table for a month because a grand total of 4 VE nations were attacked in a war that VE declared but was unprepared to fight. You are incapable of taking care of business.

If you actually read, you would find out I said I was near finals and not paying attention to CN, specifically noting that we wouldn't have even noticed the retardation of that term

Dear Doomhouse, Impero thinks you are a retard (and that's saying something.)

if Avalon didn't come out of peace and hit 4 dudes. Aka, my disagreement with the term was formed in about 15 minutes and pretty much the opposite of what you were trying to get at in your tantrum above, and that's because I was too busy in real life to remember that it existed until then (which is why in my first post I said I can't lay it all on their feet and its partially my fault for being inactive, seriously you need to actually read before you start this stuff buddy). Don't respond all foaming at the mouth

I don't really have anything to say about the stuff in that quote, I broke up the post here so that everyone else can giggle along with me as Impero accuses me of foaming at the mouth and then launches into his own crazed tirade.

if your not even going to read what you're responding to, you end up wasting your time writing up a big post of crap that has literally no bearing on the conversation whatsoever. What's clownish here is you stroking out because you tried to play the gotcha game again with us and came up empty. Did you realize it made absolutely zero sense that an alliance as heavily engaged as we were would actually give a !@#$ about 4 wars? Or have you been having a rough time and need a little bit of attention? It's ok if you do, don't be upset. If worse comes to worse, you can just make another super special irc room this Saturday night or something like that one time man, it will be fun. Oh, and no Schattenman, people don't laugh about this. People don't care about this because its you freaking out over 4 wars...or are you now mad about the timeline or something. At this point I'm not even sure what your convulsing about actually. Whatever, either way, point is no one cares and your wrong. Guffy- Don't worry about it, like I said before, we have no problem with you guys. Also, it hasn't caused us frustration, making Shattenman publicly loose it is a VE pastime, I'll gladly whip up a couple of posts to that end any day.

You and Goldie's mewling excuses about inacitivity and ignorance cannot hide the facts: Out of all the alliances in Doomhouse's coalition, you are the only one that literally went ape and started threatening reps and unending war when you finally got around to reading the terms that had been on the table for a month because a grand total of 4 VE nations were attacked in a war that VE declared but was unprepared to fight. You are incapable of taking care of business.

The Viridian Entente fought 2045 wars before the end of the Polar front, which includes 599 defensive wars and 1446 offensive, the latter being the most out of any other alliance at the time peace was declared. Don't tell us that we don't know what declaring war means or were concerned about 4 nukes, idiot.

I know you're the resident mirco superhero so you may not understand the significance of actual numbers as it pertains to war, but we've made it very evident that we damn well can and do take care of business. Try going with a line that doesn't have publicly available evidence to the contrary next time.

We never threatened unending war or made any threats at all really, just the simple acknowledgement that if they wanted to finally actually fight a war, that's exactly what we would do and the conclusion would be based upon that, not some sort of prior agreement.

Listen man, you really got nothing here. At this point, you're just saying stuff like "you can't hide the facts!" then randomly making stuff up. Schattenman, you cannot hide the facts, you have secretly been supporting EZI for months and tried to get Umb to install a viceroy in NPO. The world finally knows the truth.

Really though, you're drawing wild conclusions based on insignificant events from months ago. No one cares.

I like the part where Impero believes that he is making Schattenmann "lose it."

Whats the point of this blog post?

Schattenmann doesn't like VE.That's pretty much it.Seriously though all of this is completely irrelevant after the fact, nobody cares.

I find it amusing that if something doesn't interest you, you immediately declare that "nobody cares," when really this is quite telling information about the absurdity of VE's handling with seemingly straightforward negotiations. It's practically a CN sitcom

Trying to understand:

However, once they seized the opportunity, I took notice and made my feelings on the "deal" known. It's pretty simple, the deal was retarded and let Avalon, who had barely fought for the entire war, drop peace finally, hit some choice targets, then walk away.

By "hit and then walk away" you mean that at the time (~4/25) it was (or should have been) clear to "all" that the Entente wouldn't have participated in the "Limited War" of the Overtime Accords, thus Avalon's offensive was perceived by you/VE as an attempt to deal further damage without having then to suffer a (significant) counter-offensive - is this interpretation correct?

Wait so we have two pages of arguing, and the only thing that makes any sense is VE got a little roughed up by Polar, then went to the NPO front, Declared on Avalon who were told 21 more days of war and white peace.. So Avalon came up with a great strategy to stay in PM till the last minute then come out dumping as much nook damage as possible, and VE was like oh noes, someone out smarted us, now we have to derail peace... Did I get that right? Usually when alliances say you have to fight "xx" more days, its because you want to do as much damage as possible to them to make paying any reps if assigned harder for them to pay. Its for the side curbstomping the little guys to get as much tech and land as possible while still demanding more. Its the strategy to bleed the losing side dry. However, no one actually said, hey you have to have so and so amount of nations out of peace to fight... so Avalon did the smart thing, and used a blitz to cause as much damage as possible... Hmmm.. Poor VE got out fox'd by the little guy for once and didn't like it.. am i wrong?

Yes, you are wrong. We never made an agreement with Avalon about their 21 days. Once we found out about it, we simply said that that was not an arrangement we would be interested in going along with, and welcomed our coalition to make an entirely separate peace that did not involve VE and Avalon, especially since they had just decided to bring people out of peace mode for the first time and actually make it a real war. Our stance was, they can peace out like everyone else, or simply not get the peace they wanted and were expecting from DH. Later we were asked if we would simply accept a white peace with them and allow them to go along with the 21 days with everyone else, which was fine.

Just to get it clear this time, your again stating that because Avalon came out and actually damaged you, by using a smarter strategy cause no one said they had to/ or when they had to come out of peace mode, you wanted to not give them the same terms you gave to the rest of their coalition. What this sounds like to me is VE is jealous and shocked that someone on the curb-stomped side of the war actually out foxed you. Your arguments are fortifying my assumptions not discrediting them.

Everyone VE's new rules for BOB.. If we don't give you an exact number or date of when you have to leave PM, and you leave it in time to blitz and Damage them, it is ok for them to re-neg on terms, and tell you your not allowed to outwit them. The winning side is not allowed to take any damage during the war. Sheesh you should know this.

We believed that VE was continuing for the 21 days with us until the end of the entire limited war, so it was not an attempt to try and get free nukes in without retaliation.

The only reason we had not been fully engaging all our nations is because of the failure of the DH side to counter ANY of our wars for almost the entire war. They allowed our top 15 nations to go in and out of peace mode restocking nukes etc. Why bring out nations without enough military wonders and cash to win battles over the course of 3-4 months. Hence several of our naitons did not engage in the war at all, simply due to DH's error.

if Avalon didn't come out of peace and hit 4 dudes. Aka, my disagreement with the term was formed in about 15 minutes and pretty much the opposite of what you were trying to get at in your tantrum above, and that's because I was too busy in real life to remember that it existed until then (which is why in my first post I said I can't lay it all on their feet and its partially my fault for being inactive, seriously you need to actually read before you start this stuff buddy). Don't respond all foaming at the mouth

I don't really have anything to say about the stuff in that quote, I broke up the post here so that everyone else can giggle along with me as Impero accuses me of foaming at the mouth and then launches into his own crazed tirade.

This is funny, took the words out of my mouth.

Another takeaway is that Avalon is quite hardcore.

This is funny, took the words out of my mouth.

It's always funny to watch Impero make me loose.

Another takeaway is that Avalon is quite hardcore.

Avalon doesn't kid around, after seeing them defeat VE I cancelled all plans to wreck Avalon as part of CoJ's upcoming War of Micro Unification.