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NPO/DH War Part One

Brehon

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Many look at the pre-empt against the Order the start of the war. It however started long before that. It didn't start with the Polar bs either. Waters were tested when they went Safari Hunting on Red Sphere, testing to see what the NPO and Red Dawn as a whole would do. The response was nothing, because we weren't in a position to. We knew it was an attempt to draw us into a conflict, to see if we would honor the old Moldavi doctrine. At that time the world was put on notice, the NPO was going to do nothing. This let Doomhouse know they could launch a war and the world would do nothing about it. But there had to be a separation of allies and connections. It was right here at that moment when it all started.

If I step away and place myself in their shoes the next step was to probe (if not already done) to see who still had anger at NPO. Pretty easy pickings, but it had to be tangible and touchable. I am sure in many places it was a hard sell and the idea soon became to catch them on the periphery. Its pretty easy to talk about the "Orders" because people will still see it and the NPO over the last couple years did nothing to openly distance themselves. Enter Polar falling for the okey doke. Through treaty webs and activation the NPO could be drawn in and DH would be able to jump right in without spending political capital.

I logged in and the rumors of a war against Polar were growing. Immediately talk began of their treaties and how we could be drawn in. It was not a position we wanted to be in. Discussion upon discussion about should we, if there was a war. Could we? Had we recovered enough to stand on the battlefield. NS was one thing but our membership wasn't as exercised in war as we had been in the past. It was a true discussion that held an overwhelming feel of "oh !@#$". Then the war started.

Being who I am, full of piss and vinegar at times, I wanted to know why we weren't immediately jumping in. Surely Polar was stupid for falling for such a clear trap, but did that mean they deserved what was going to happen? It was during these discussions when I realized that wasn't the real issue. We owed Polar absolutely nothing, in fact they had been !@#$%* to us for some time. This was a trap to pull the NPO in. Every post on the OWF and attitudes screamed it. But to us Polar had to be accountable for their actions and if they fell prey to their own stupidity, who the hell were we to step in and fix it. All of it was rather moot because treaty activation would pull us in.

We were ready, although not willing, to enter if we were called. It was clear if we did go in, everyone that wanted a shot at the NPO would take it. Our general side didn't want this and already internal issues were hitting the Order. Due to his RL career, then Emperor Cortath was being pulled heavily by real life causing decisions and actions to be delayed and general haphazard. Our allies general knew this and worked to keep us out, for this we were thankful. At one point we felt we were 48 hours from having to go in, communication had dropped to a dribble and we were left in some darkness. Things were very much out of a our control and I definitely felt trapped and hand tied. Had 48 hours passed we would have entered the war? Its really hard to say because history never gave it that chance; the New Pacific Order was pre-empted by Doomhouse, I personally exploded. I realized right then and there we had been outplayed in a huge way.



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If our allies entered, as I have stated, I seriously doubt we would have denied them. That would have been Cortath's call. If it was just to defend or help Polar we were not entering. That is what I am saying that is what I have said. You don't get to read just one line and take it in a context you like, take the whole. There are so many threads for you to debate, you really needed another here. Whatever. Search through a hundred thousand threads and find as many lines as you can to make you feel comfortable with you soapbox. I will sit here and just shake my head.

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CnG played the propaganda card during BiPolar.
What a nice euphemism for hypocrisy.

Pretty much it, by propaganda he means "They were just lying and deceiving people." What make us thought: If they weren't speaking truthfully back then, who can guarantee that they are speaking the truth now? After all all their reasons excuses for their attack against NPO would be just they playing the propaganda card again :unsure:

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CnG played the propaganda card during BiPolar.
What a nice euphemism for hypocrisy.
Pretty much it, by propaganda he means "They were just lying and deceiving people." What make us thought: If they weren't speaking truthfully back then, who can guarantee that they are speaking the truth now? After all all their reasons excuses for their attack against NPO would be just they playing the propaganda card again :unsure:

There's just as much hypocrisy in it as you calling MK out on victimization. MK made a drama out of it. Were they deceiving? Well that depends, were you deceived? I was on your side of the fence and definitely wasn't.

NPO lied about not entering the war. If they weren't telling the truth then who can guarantee they will ever speak the truth again? I mean, we should expect it, because NPO did lie and deceive during the time of the Continuum, who can guarantee they are telling the truth now if they are virtually the same leadership, only different positions?

Your point is moot. And useless. But mostly moot.

EDIT: Oh wait, you couldn't be deceived, because Grub was actually in MK's coalition channel during BiPolar doing his double game.

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NPO did not lie about not entering the war. The fact that I have views and opinions during that time does not equate to then Emperor Cortath. They were, as I stated, my views. You can say "The Regent of the NPO said xxxx" however at the time I was an IO and the decision did not fall to me. I was made Regent in the middle of the war. I know you are having a hard time getting past one line and keeping things in the context in which they are written. I mean hell if I were you I might consider that as well considering in the end you blew your political wad making a !@#$% move that you are justifying out of paranoia. Its over, done with, deal with it. If you have to troll a blog that specifically stated they were thoughts, then I guess the guilt you have for acting the way you did is pretty strong. Let it go man, frankly I am sick of the stupid propaganda and soapbox dealings spilling from your mouth.

I get your side, I even accept it: NPO was going to enter we have to pre-empt because its tactically sound. That lost validity the moment the Polar war ended and DH continued. But whatever, yeah yeah I got it great move the hell on.

I am going to say it ONE MORE TIME: If...say it with me... IF our allies called, even tho we had no desire to enter, we were ready BUT... stay with me, I have a hard time believing we would not answer our allies. Stay on target now.... That final decision was not mine to make, it was only the Emperor. To say you are prepared and say you believe you would support your allies when requested is NOT... again NOT equal to NPO was going to enter.

Now, I have tried being nice but you insist on being a !@#$ and grandstand, but I should expect no less from the group that in negotiations, AFTER asking us to write the terms (which we all agreed on) entered with "WE ARE THE VICTORS, WE WRITE THE TERMS! :fist slams desk: and then re-wrote them. But I will speak more on that in the second part of this series. Seriously Lusitan, remove your head from your fourth point of contact okay.

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TBQH the hypocrisy card is probably the most annoying I ever see anyone play considering that people who play it generally said the TOP pre-empt was a great strategy. So in calling the other party out for being hypocrites and using the pre-empt, they themselves are being hypocrites.

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NPO did not lie about not entering the war. The fact that I have views and opinions during that time does not equate to then Emperor Cortath. They were, as I stated, my views. You can say "The Regent of the NPO said xxxx" however at the time I was an IO and the decision did not fall to me. I was made Regent in the middle of the war. I know you are having a hard time getting past one line and keeping things in the context in which they are written. I mean hell if I were you I might consider that as well considering in the end you blew your political wad making a !@#$% move that you are justifying out of paranoia. Its over, done with, deal with it. If you have to troll a blog that specifically stated they were thoughts, then I guess the guilt you have for acting the way you did is pretty strong. Let it go man, frankly I am sick of the stupid propaganda and soapbox dealings spilling from your mouth.I get your side, I even accept it: NPO was going to enter we have to pre-empt because its tactically sound. That lost validity the moment the Polar war ended and DH continued. But whatever, yeah yeah I got it great move the hell on.I am going to say it ONE MORE TIME: If...say it with me... IF our allies called, even tho we had no desire to enter, we were ready BUT... stay with me, I have a hard time believing we would not answer our allies. Stay on target now.... That final decision was not mine to make, it was only the Emperor. To say you are prepared and say you believe you would support your allies when requested is NOT... again NOT equal to NPO was going to enter.Now, I have tried being nice but you insist on being a !@#$ and grandstand, but I should expect no less from the group that in negotiations, AFTER asking us to write the terms (which we all agreed on) entered with "WE ARE THE VICTORS, WE WRITE THE TERMS! :fist slams desk: and then re-wrote them. But I will speak more on that in the second part of this series. Seriously Lusitan, remove your head from your fourth point of contact okay.

As you can imagine, your feelings is not my primary concern. They're not a concern at all.

I have nothing to do with the negotiation process, nor I really care. This is not really about you, it's about the bunch of delusional idiots who run around you and drink your and Pacifica's words as if they came from the holy grail of wisdom. They're not and there's a lesson that I was expecting each of you would have figured out by now that transcends a bit (and by a bit I mean a lot) the direct content of what I am saying, but I think that's expecting too much.

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CnG played the propaganda card during BiPolar.
What a nice euphemism for hypocrisy.
Pretty much it, by propaganda he means "They were just lying and deceiving people." What make us thought: If they weren't speaking truthfully back then, who can guarantee that they are speaking the truth now? After all all their reasons excuses for their attack against NPO would be just they playing the propaganda card again :unsure:
There's just as much hypocrisy in it as you calling MK out on victimization. MK made a drama out of it. Were they deceiving? Well that depends, were you deceived? I was on your side of the fence and definitely wasn't. NPO lied about not entering the war. If they weren't telling the truth then who can guarantee they will ever speak the truth again? I mean, we should expect it, because NPO did lie and deceive during the time of the Continuum, who can guarantee they are telling the truth now if they are virtually the same leadership, only different positions?Your point is moot. And useless. But mostly moot.EDIT: Oh wait, you couldn't be deceived, because Grub was actually in MK's coalition channel during BiPolar doing his double game.

You became addicted in Polaris and is amusing read your posts lately, although I'm sad to see you became another The MVP.

All your argument is based in the fact that you treat me as I was Grub or Polaris itself, what I'm not, therefore all that you said is nothing more than jibber jabber.

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CnG played the propaganda card during BiPolar.
What a nice euphemism for hypocrisy.
Pretty much it, by propaganda he means "They were just lying and deceiving people." What make us thought: If they weren't speaking truthfully back then, who can guarantee that they are speaking the truth now? After all all their reasons excuses for their attack against NPO would be just they playing the propaganda card again :unsure:
There's just as much hypocrisy in it as you calling MK out on victimization. MK made a drama out of it. Were they deceiving? Well that depends, were you deceived? I was on your side of the fence and definitely wasn't. NPO lied about not entering the war. If they weren't telling the truth then who can guarantee they will ever speak the truth again? I mean, we should expect it, because NPO did lie and deceive during the time of the Continuum, who can guarantee they are telling the truth now if they are virtually the same leadership, only different positions?Your point is moot. And useless. But mostly moot.EDIT: Oh wait, you couldn't be deceived, because Grub was actually in MK's coalition channel during BiPolar doing his double game.
You became addicted in Polaris and is amusing read your posts lately, although I'm sad to see you became another The MVP. All your argument is based in the fact that you treat me as I was Grub or Polaris itself, what I'm not, therefore all that you said is nothing more than jibber jabber.

Excellent, you took my last line and considered my whole post invalid because of it. That's brilliant.

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Lusitan as you can imagine since you are reading my blog, it actually IS about my views and feelings. If that bothers you, you are reading the wrong thing, by choice no less. Remember you have the ultimate choice of NOT... yes NOT reading it.

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