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The Mechanics of Victory


Kyaris

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It is becoming more and more apparent that the GOONS front of the Doomhouse War is finally nearing its end. With this week's surrenders, remaining enemy forces aligned against us are reduced to seven alliances:

New Pacific Order

The Legion

Cult of Justitia

Regnum Invictorum

The Phoenix Federation

Sanitarium

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Among these, peace mode is prevalent and offensive wars are sparse, with TPF and Invicta being the only forces doing any noticeable fighting whatsoever.

I've posted a number of times alluding to the subject matter of why it does not pay to be an ally of the Hopeless Coalition in this conflict, and I think the current situation showcases this. However, I've decided to post a little more in-depth on why I think this is the case, not just that it is. Inevitably, the reasons are going to be mostly self-evident mechanics and strategic oversights of the Coalition's leadership. Some of this will seem like a rehash of matters already discussed, but with any hope I'll be able to be a little more in-depth on the subject than previously.

There are significant issues with the way this war was managed from a longer-term strategic perspective. The worst of these is the mismatch in ideology and action that has been evident in the morale and propaganda war versus the actual fighting being waged. Originally, the Peace Mode Strategy was announced as a stop-gap to NPO/Legion's allies--a measure by which they could regain their composure, wait for an opportunity, and re-engage at their discretion. It has long since become obvious that this re-entry into conflict in such an aggressive capacity is no longer possible. Doomhouse's terms of surrender highlight this. The cries against how NPO is being forced into having their alliance "decimated" is an unspeakable crime against them only serves to further emphasize that when NPO/Legion implemented their strategy they failed to take this possibility into account that they would never return to the front. More specifically, there is a distinct implication that a case could be made that they in fact never intended to. The argument that NPO and Legion have left their allies to be meat shields for the sake of their escape to peace mode in this conflict has been discussed already. I will leave it aside for now.

Let’s be fairer to the Coalition's leadership and assume another possibility. That is, that when they implemented the peace mode strategy, they did fully intend to re-enter the conflict at a later point with an advantage. I will assume for the rest of this blog post, in more direct terms, that the Peace Mode Strategy was not a smoke screen for the upper tiers to have an excuse to preserve as much of their resources as possible at the expense of others.

There has been much discussion on some of the obvious tactical points; With their primary nations in peace mode, there is insufficient aid going to their nations that are actually fighting. With their primary nations in peace mode, Umbrella is free to act as they please and aid Doomhouse and allied nations that are fighting. With Legion entirely in peace mode, there is less pressure across all nation strength spectrums and thus more ability for Doomhouse forces to coordinate unimpeded in group attacks. With opponents occasionally coming out of peace mode and going back into peace mode, it has been a rather simple matter to fight our opponents two or three on one, one at a time, throughout the course of the war. Our offensive wars have greatly outnumbered our defensive wars in the past few weeks, indicating that we are getting to choose when and where to fight. On a tactical level in this regard, the Hopeless Coalition has horribly mismanaged their forces. Although some of their fighting nations are actually fantastically competent, the Coalition leadership has done a spectacular job of ensuring that they cannot do an effective level of damage or fight with the full economic or numerical support of their allies. Frankly, had NSO, just as a singular example, had the sort of aid-bombing and numerical support that GOONS has had throughout this war, things could have gone drastically differently.

The Peace Mode Strategy had a number of stated purposes aside from the re-entry gambit. Among these, it was presumed that GOONS and to a lesser extent Doomhouse and Pandora would become more fatigued by a war with fewer or no combatants. Without our "griefing" and "lulz" we would become disinterested and morale would swing back in favor of the Coalition. There were two problems with this perspective's rationalization: One, GOONS morale would not have changed as a result of this, we merely would've resumed our normal day to day activities in addition to ensuring that Coalition targets that did stray out of peace mode were dealt with summarily; two, the actions of the Coalition itself rendered this aspect of the strategy useless. After the initial declaration on NPO, the Coalition arranged for the 12 alliance blitz on GOONS. It was rather destructive, admittedly, and is the primary reason why we've lost so much nation strength in this war. The problem with this is that it automatically provided Doomhouse with a very target rich environment through which to express ourselves. The mass exodus to peace mode then gave us only the opportunity to stagger and engage at will any targets that we desired, even as we took significant, but not unrecoverable losses. With enemy forces split more or less half and half war and peace, our advantage of numbers in blitz attacks began to shine through drastically.

What could have been done differently? Had NPO truly wanted to martyr itself in their "just defense" of themselves, it seems that they could have gone the full 9 yards. What would have happened, for example, if NPO had not called in allies, dropped into peace mode, and waited GOONS out? The conditions may have been about the same for surrender, but NPO may have preserved the moral high ground, and also gotten out of this war with the close of the VE-Polar front. In addition, they would not have cost their allies the reparations that they must pay now. The Coalition leadership's strategic blunders have costs these alliances billions in losses and reparations, while 99% of Legion's NS sits in peace mode, and a large percentage of NPO's does the same. This combined firepower and financial aid that was never implemented and never used would have been enough to ZI both GOONS and MK twice over, and although they would have lost the war in the end to Umbrella, the cost of victory would have been so great that we would have weakened Doomhouse on the inter-alliance stage significantly.

This conclusion is one that I sincerely believe: The Hopeless Coalition's loss in this war is a device of their own making. Technical defeat was inevitable, but making it just as large a loss for Doomhouse as it was for them was a possibility, and they have unwittingly shirked it through a series of tactical and strategic blunders. New Pacific Order's megalomaniac tendencies are to assume that everything is about them and them alone, and their subsequent exodus to peace mode and lack of coordination with their allies was a costly mistake. Their reliance on their own relevance as a protection from harm and assurance of the moral right was fallacious, and this loss reflects poorly upon their ability, leadership, and diplomatic ties.

Kyaris

Commander, Squad S

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"It is becoming more and more apparent that the end of the GOONS front of the Doomhouse War is finally nearing its end." Could do without the first end, otherwise, nice, very nice.

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"It is becoming more and more apparent that the end of the GOONS front of the Doomhouse War is finally nearing its end." Could do without the first end, otherwise, nice, very nice.

fixed. i always make dumb mistakes like that.

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I can see this easily turning into an eternal war.

All it needs is for a reps demand that exceeds the last one made on the NPO and they will dig in and fight to the death.

This will be costly to the Doomhouse side since it will occupy their lower tier nations in fighting rather than tech dealing which will slow the growth of their upper tier due to the resulting reduced tech income and almost completely halt the growth of their lower tiers owing to the natural attrition of war.

And in this scenario Doomhouse will have a pyrrhic victory in this war but they will be vulnerable to the next bloc that wishes to challenge them.

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I can see this easily turning into an eternal war.

All it needs is for a reps demand that exceeds the last one made on the NPO and they will dig in and fight to the death.

This will be costly to the Doomhouse side since it will occupy their lower tier nations in fighting rather than tech dealing which will slow the growth of their upper tier due to the resulting reduced tech income and almost completely halt the growth of their lower tiers owing to the natural attrition of war.

And in this scenario Doomhouse will have a pyrrhic victory in this war but they will be vulnerable to the next bloc that wishes to challenge them.

I'm not entirely sure this is accurate. DH can easily keep funneling funds to their lower tier if they really need to. And if they somehow exhaust that ability, they can bring in the rest of CnG/PB to aid their lower tiers. It's really one of those things where they can keep going if need be whereas the other side really just can't keep up, doubly so if alliances keep peacing out.

So yeah, it would cause them some headache and losses if the war dragged out to be semi-eternal. But a pyrrhic victory? Nah, I think they'd be fine.

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This analysis is rather naive in the assumption the initial dh alliances constituted the total threat to alliances that are fighting against the DH aggressors. As is apparent by the entry of TOP, VE, FOK, ODN, Athens, LOST, and NoR, there were many alliances that supported this unprovoked attack. The political calculation that DH would not have engaged in so brazen a crime without support of a broad coalition of thugs was accurate from the outset.

To those posting above, the main cost to DH will not come from supporting lower tier nations. Those costs are negligible compared to the political and moral cost to upholding an endless war by demanding completely unreasonable terms to an enemy that hit for the sketchiest of reasoning. This is not something that will be quickly measurable, but in time will cost them more than any amount of damage we could have directly inflicted.

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This analysis is rather naive in the assumption the initial dh alliances constituted the total threat to alliances that are fighting against the DH aggressors. As is apparent by the entry of TOP, VE, FOK, ODN, Athens, LOST, and NoR, there were many alliances that supported this unprovoked attack. The political calculation that DH would not have engaged in so brazen a crime without support of a broad coalition of thugs was accurate from the outset.

To those posting above, the main cost to DH will not come from supporting lower tier nations. Those costs are negligible compared to the political and moral cost to upholding an endless war by demanding completely unreasonable terms to an enemy that hit for the sketchiest of reasoning. This is not something that will be quickly measurable, but in time will cost them more than any amount of damage we could have directly inflicted.

That might very well happen and if you're bent on taking that route then I suppose we'll see. But my gut instinct is that it either won't happen or that it won't reach the threshold for it to actually matter or bother DH.

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That might very well happen and if you're bent on taking that route then I suppose we'll see. But my gut instinct is that it either won't happen or that it won't reach the threshold for it to actually matter or bother DH.

We have no desire to take it that route. They could offer honorable terms and the war would be over tonight, that choice however is not for us to make. The more they make terms like 95% or more in warmode for 30 days or deal off makes peace less likely.

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It seems you assert that our tactics, and Peace mode in particular, made us abandon the "moral high ground", is a sign of megalomania and self-centered behaviour, and a sign of using everybody around us as a meatshield. Good sir, I would advise you to take another look at Doomhouse's guide to the NPO, as it quite clearly states those are all characteristics we have by default, simply through our mere existence.

And on a more serious note, ZI MK twice over? Come on man. I know Umbrella can gouge a massive hole out of any alliance out there, but it's not like DH's war effort would have failed without them - it is the ability to draw on a periphery of supporting alliances which gives you the substantial strength advantage.

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Ha ha this -

It is becoming more and more apparent that the GOONS front of the Doomhouse War is finally nearing its end.

Son we haven't even begun to fight. "Nearing its end"? Let's see if you're still saying that 3 months from now. I have to admit that by any definition that we're losing, and on our way to ZI without a peace agreement, but that doesn't mean we can't drag you to ZI with us. If we're gonna burn so are you, so rethink your whole coming to an end idea, and settle back for a long, painful trip down to Nowheresville.

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Ha ha this -

Son we haven't even begun to fight. "Nearing its end"? Let's see if you're still saying that 3 months from now. I have to admit that by any definition that we're losing, and on our way to ZI without a peace agreement, but that doesn't mean we can't drag you to ZI with us. If we're gonna burn so are you, so rethink your whole coming to an end idea, and settle back for a long, painful trip down to Nowheresville.

The war has been going on for more than 2 months and alliances on your side are surrendering, and you still haven't begun to fight? What kind of crazy strategy is this?

Please could you explain me the Legion point of view ?

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The war has been going on for more than 2 months and alliances on your side are surrendering, and you still haven't begun to fight? What kind of crazy strategy is this?

Please could you explain me the Legion point of view ?

I'll try, but you guys seem to be unable to understand any point of view other than your own so here goes. The fact that we've had a majority of our NS in PM for most of this war does not mean we don't want to fight or are avoiding a fight. As a matter of fact The Legion has had nations in this fight from the time we DoW'd GOONs until right now, and we're going to have nations in the fight for a very long time. Contrary to your beliefs PM isn't a sign of cowardice it is a tactic, nothing more nothing less. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that we're not going to use that tactic as we see fit.

It's pretty funny to see all the belly-aching about PM from you guys, after we heard over and over again that Everything. Must. Die. From all the talk at the beginning of the war it sounded like you guys wanted the whole world to burn. Now just two months later Everything. Must. Peace. Hahaha, pretty quick turn around for self-proclaimed 'Destroyer of Worlds".

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What would have happened, for example, if NPO had not called in allies, dropped into peace mode, and waited GOONS out? The conditions may have been about the same for surrender, but NPO may have preserved the moral high ground, and also gotten out of this war with the close of the VE-Polar front.

Do you seriously think we're going to believe that? Not calling in our allies is virtually mass peace mode for them, since their NS goes totally untouched. If DH sees us as such a threat, there is no way that that their attitudes towards peace mode would be any different if went alone. Their current reasoning that "tons of nations have not yet seen fighting" can be extended if we went alone too.

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It's pretty funny to see all the belly-aching about PM from you guys, after we heard over and over again that Everything. Must. Die. From all the talk at the beginning of the war it sounded like you guys wanted the whole world to burn. Now just two months later Everything. Must. Peace. Hahaha, pretty quick turn around for self-proclaimed 'Destroyer of Worlds".

How can we destroy everything when everyone hides in peace mode?

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What would be the point of NPO telling its allies to stay out of the war? If I remember correctly NPO was attacked for doing just that and staying out of NpO's war. If NPO's allies stayed neutral, how long would it take for DH or one of their allies to preemptively attack alliances that were clearly staying out of the conflict?

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Ha ha this -

Son we haven't even begun to fight. "Nearing its end"? Let's see if you're still saying that 3 months from now. I have to admit that by any definition that we're losing, and on our way to ZI without a peace agreement, but that doesn't mean we can't drag you to ZI with us. If we're gonna burn so are you, so rethink your whole coming to an end idea, and settle back for a long, painful trip down to Nowheresville.

I have already addressed this issue, below:

There are significant issues with the way this war was managed from a longer-term strategic perspective. The worst of these is the mismatch in ideology and action that has been evident in the morale and propaganda war versus the actual fighting being waged. Originally, the Peace Mode Strategy was announced as a stop-gap to NPO/Legion's allies--a measure by which they could regain their composure, wait for an opportunity, and re-engage at their discretion. It has long since become obvious that this re-entry into conflict in such an aggressive capacity is no longer possible. Doomhouse's terms of surrender highlight this. The cries against how NPO is being forced into having their alliance "decimated" is an unspeakable crime against them only serves to further emphasize that when NPO/Legion implemented their strategy they failed to take this possibility into account that they would never return to the front. More specifically, there is a distinct implication that a case could be made that they in fact never intended to. The argument that NPO and Legion have left their allies to be meat shields for the sake of their escape to peace mode in this conflict has been discussed already. I will leave it aside for now.

If you "have not begun to fight" in invite you to accept Doomhouse's terms and begin to fight. Go on then. That's right. You can't. You missed your chance. You have no strategic foothold whatsoever. Your allies are the only threat to us whatsoever, and it is not to their advantage to defend you for no gain or recognition whatsoever. If you wanted to start fighting, perhaps you should've considered doing it while you still had allies left to fight alongside you.

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It seems you assert that our tactics, and Peace mode in particular, made us abandon the "moral high ground", is a sign of megalomania and self-centered behaviour, and a sign of using everybody around us as a meatshield. Good sir, I would advise you to take another look at Doomhouse's guide to the NPO, as it quite clearly states those are all characteristics we have by default, simply through our mere existence.

And on a more serious note, ZI MK twice over? Come on man. I know Umbrella can gouge a massive hole out of any alliance out there, but it's not like DH's war effort would have failed without them - it is the ability to draw on a periphery of supporting alliances which gives you the substantial strength advantage.

You need to learn to read. I said having 12 alliances dogpile GOONS made you lose your moral high ground. The peace mode is just insulting to the alliances who came to do your dirty work.

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I'll try, but you guys seem to be unable to understand any point of view other than your own so here goes. The fact that we've had a majority of our NS in PM for most of this war does not mean we don't want to fight or are avoiding a fight. As a matter of fact The Legion has had nations in this fight from the time we DoW'd GOONs until right now, and we're going to have nations in the fight for a very long time. Contrary to your beliefs PM isn't a sign of cowardice it is a tactic, nothing more nothing less. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that we're not going to use that tactic as we see fit.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Yes. Having 1% of your NS in the fight is clearly a contribution. I agree that your "peace mode tactic" isn't cowardice. It's cunning. You get to claim contribution and support of an ally and try to take the diplomatic moral high ground, when in reality you have risked absolutely nothing in this fight and done nothing. Your protectorate alliance, The Last Republic, has done more in this war than you have.

Just shut up.

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