Hero's Soapbox

NADC decided to waste our time and run us along for a few days on that white peace thing.

Clearly, a supreme offense that can only be repaired with the payment of 36,000 tech.

NADC decided to waste our time and run us along for a few days on that white peace thing.

Ok, so what's up with TPF then?

TPF is calling the shots on their end and a result has probably caused the most damage to GOONS.

Clearly, a supreme offense that can only be repaired with the payment of 36,000 tech.

Maybe there was a 36k tech discount for an early exit, and the reps were there all along. I'm not gonna go around saying that A&W punished me for not buying two Mama Burgers by increasing the cost of one burger by $0.50

Clearly, a supreme offense that can only be repaired with the payment of 36,000 tech.

They asked for Off-White Peace twice, and then said they didn't want it. If they didn't dick us around, we would happily have given them fair terms. This will teach them to be more decisive.

@ TPF: I assume its got something to do with them leading the coalition or something. But I don't actually know as i'm not involved in reps. Although, as Flak pointed out, it's not actually much when you consider the cash/nation. The 'jump' probably has a lot to do with the size of the alliance relative to many others.

There's a disbandment joke to be had here.

Wait your turn, princess.

hmm fair enough, I of course still like CoJ and Schatt and so would cut him loose for less. I'd definitely tell you go to $%&@ yourself if you asked me to write a play. HoT almost got me with TOOL (since they've seemed pretty honorable and all.) until I actually read what was being asked for.

To answer your question HoT yea I'd probably take that if I were you guys. It's nothing like most of those same people demanded when they were in power.

I actually hadn't seen these numbers before, not that its very relevant to my interests at this current moment, as I have no immediate plans on exiting this war in the immediate barring unforseen circumstances. (Such as Doomhouse learning the meaning of "unrealistic" and presenting more realistic terms)

64Digits: $11.4m per nation

Sanitarium: $16.6m per nation

Have to say, I'm flattered that me and my people are considered deserving of 45% more reps then HoT and his people. I must be doing something right.

hmm fair enough, I of course still like CoJ and Schatt and so would cut him loose for less. I'd definitely tell you go to $%&@ yourself if you asked me to write a play. HoT almost got me with TOOL (since they've seemed pretty honorable and all.) until I actually read what was being asked for.

To answer your question HoT yea I'd probably take that if I were you guys. It's nothing like most of those same people demanded when they were in power.

Yeah, I can't remember a time when "those same people" launched a pre-emptive war out of paranoia and admitted that the people they attacked did nothing wrong.

Yeah...

Speaking as somebody who doesn't like reps at all, there's pretty much nothing wrong with these reps. Most of them are barely punitive at all in terms of restricting gameplay for those they are imposed upon, which is my problem with reps in the first place. I don't like the NPO stuff that much as I feel it smacks of frustration and disappointment on the part of DH but there is pretty much nothing to criticise here, and it's a bit dishonest to say they're extortionate.

I believe it is my alliance's policy to neither pay nor seek reparations. I nevertheless understand that others do not share this point of view.

As reparations go, however, these are really not all that bad. It seems that most could be completed in one or two aid cycles, and I'm willing to bet that surrendering alliances could probably negotiate the 'dollar reparations' down if they were to convert some of it to tech deals.

TPF is calling the shots on their end and a result has probably caused the most damage to GOONS.

Once again I think you overestimate the level on control I/TPF has over 15 or so assorted alliances on this side (Take the fact that this blog is even here as an example of my point...)

Either way it is standard procedure for us to not even bother talking about our reps until the ally we came in to defend has secured terms they are comfortable with. At this point is may be a while before we get to have the argument about what we are being taxed and why.

I believe it is my alliance's policy to neither pay nor seek reparations. I nevertheless understand that others do not share this point of view.

As reparations go, however, these are really not all that bad. It seems that most could be completed in one or two aid cycles, and I'm willing to bet that surrendering alliances could probably negotiate the 'dollar reparations' down if they were to convert some of it to tech deals.

Note this response is not aimed directly at you, but rather that you are the last of a few posts stating something to the effect that these terms are reasonable.

There are obviously 2 factors at play here, and while for the most part the opposing side has tried to separate them, they are inexorably tied. It should be obvious that there are certain alliances on this front who are not going to exit until NPO can broker a favorable peace deal. It should also be obvious that should NPO garner favorable terms they are not going to exit and leave 2/3 (for example) of the coalition that came in to defend them still on the field with terms they consider unacceptable. So the terms given to NPO and the terms being presented to the other alliances here are very much tied hand in hand if we are trying to draw this conflict to a close. You cannot look at the cash terms, or tech terms or peace mode terms as separate offers. They are all part of one lump sum deal regardless if the other side chooses to see it that way or not.

As it has been pointed out the requested peace mode terms from NPO and the percentages therein are not even realistically attainable by a mass member alliance. This basically renders the remainder of the deal (such as the cash reps etc) a moot point

Sounds fair to me.

It's a bit early for April Fool's Day, isn't it?

If The Legion gov accepted terms that involved paying Goons anything at all the general membership would lynch them.

Yes.

Let me break it down for you a bit differently.

Avalon: $2m per nation

ASU: $1.7m per nation

64Digits: $11.4m per nation

Sanitarium: $16.6m per nation

NSO: $1.2m/$3.5m per nation

Invicta: $4.6m per nation

TPF: $3.8m per nation

CoJ: $18.1m per nation (with a simple way of reducing that down to a possible 4.5m per nation)

Legion: $7.3m per nation

TOOL: 300 tech deals (or 6 per nation under 250 tech)

NADC: 370 tech per nation (or 720 per nation under 500 tech)

Carpe Diem: 1300 tech per nation over 1k tech

TSI: 387 tech per nation (or 923 per nation under 500 tech)

We wanted to live up to our reputation as truly terrible people.

The ones I bolded came in to defend their friends. Reparations for what? Starting the war?! Bullsh.t. This is extortion at the grandest level.

Edit, I forgot to bold them all.

I actually hadn't seen these numbers before, not that its very relevant to my interests at this current moment, as I have no immediate plans on exiting this war in the immediate barring unforseen circumstances. (Such as Doomhouse learning the meaning of "unrealistic" and presenting more realistic terms)

Have to say, I'm flattered that me and my people are considered deserving of 45% more reps then HoT and his people. I must be doing something right.

Yeah, I can't remember a time when "those same people" launched a pre-emptive war out of paranoia and admitted that the people they attacked did nothing wrong.

Yeah...

Once I get reliable internet acess again I'll link you to the GPA conflict. Until then you can find it yourself.

Except GPA committed actual offenses. It's not like anyone was paranoid that GPA was going to take over the world.

Of course, the revised account of history tells us that GPA were innocent little angels before the cruel, evil NPO smashed their heads in. But that's not what actually happened.

This is not about the term being “reasonable”. To accept it is to encourage this kind of behavior towards us in the future.

Eternal war is a better alternative to this Pacifican soldier and the response from the Body Republic, I am not alone in this course of action.

This is not about the term being “reasonable”. To accept it is to encourage this kind of behavior towards us in the future.

Eternal war is a better alternative to this Pacifican soldier and the response from the Body Republic, I am not alone in this course of action.

Hey just like the peace mode thing NPO said was unreasonable. Fancy that.

I don't know why you mentioned "this Pacifician soldier" though, it's not like we're asking for reps from NPO. This is something those other alliances are having to deal with. Unless you're saying "NPO believes CoJ should do eternal war rather than pay reps. Good luck!"

As much as I do enjoy VGCats, I'm going to have to go ahead and ask you to stop abusing the series as you have in your latest post.

We are equipped with "avatars" (and to a lesser extent, our signatures) to serve as a visual representation of our talking head, we do not need to further litter our posts with our self-indulgent image of ourselves.