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The Moralist Era(7/6/09-1/28/10)

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Ryan Greenberg

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The Moralist Era

First off, sorry for !@#$%* grammer. I sucks at it.... :( Second, this is my opinion on the issue. Deal with it.

Nostalgia. Some are nostaligic about the original three Great Wars. Some are nostaligc about the WUT Hegemony and the Unjust War. Some are nostalgic about the NPO Hegemony and the noCB War. Some are nostalgic about the Vox Era and the Karma War. I am here to show you a timeline about one of Cyber Nations' most odd and confusing eras: The Moralist Era. Driven by Post-Karma paranoia on how the "brave new world" should be handled, the time period from the end of the Karma War to TOP's Declaration of War on MK, will always be remembered as one of the most interesting and odd time periods in Cyber Nations' illustrious history. Some say yes, some say no....

The Moralist Era(7/6/09-1/28/10)

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July 6th, 2009

Echelon Outrage:

The Moralist Era began on July 6th, 2009. No doubt about it. During the peak of the Karma War, you did see Hegemonist arguements on how Karma was being unfair, but their arguements were overwhelmed by those on the Karma side. No one really cared what anyone had to say. NPO and their Hegemony were going to lose once and for all. The criminals were finally going to be punished. The sheer euphoria of Karma's victory brought an aura of general optimism to the Cyberverse. That was until Echelon's surrender thread. What started out as a normal peace thread of hailings turned into a 45 page PR disastor for the victors. The surrender terms included harsh reps and the banning of Caffine1 from Echelon government. Though some argued that Echelon deserved it for their part in the Hegemony, does that excuse anyone from giving terms as harsh as the one's given to them? Some say yes, others say no.

1. The following reparations will be paid by Echelon for instigating the war and the damage caused thereafter:

10,000 technology and three jars of jam to GOD

300 million and 7,500 technology (Aided in packages of 3m/50) to MA

10,000 technology to MK on behalf of GR

1,500 technology or money equivalent, at an exchange rate of 3 mil per 50 to Athens

5,000 technology to TTK

1 technology to R&R

1a. No Echelon nation under 1,000 tech will be allowed to pay reparations.

10. Should Caffine1 rejoin Echelon he is permanently banned from holding any government position within the alliance.

Almighty Grub's Post:The official beginning of the Moralist Era(imo) began with former NpO Emperor AlmightyGrub's post on the terms given to Echelon, and the one's proposed to NPO. The topic expressed the dissapointment of the Karma coalition and the anger of the reps. Many, including some fighting for Karma, hailed the post. "Moralism" would explode after this.

August 2009

The Second Moldavi Doctrine: The Second Moldavi Doctrine would be the doctrine of all Moralist basically.

The New Sith Order shall retain the option, though not the obligation, to declare war in the defense of any alliance that finds itself the victim of foreign aggression. Reciprocally, the New Sith Order acknowledges that all alliances retain the same option to defend it

The whole "anti-tech raid" craze was beginning to heat up at this point. With Karma over, many looked for a new enemy and a new goal to make the "brave new world" a better place. The big topic issue during the Moralist Era was tech raiding. On one end you have the ex-Hegemony/NpO/STA/TOP and on the other you have GOONS/Athens/PC/\m//Super Grievences. With Ivan's new doctrine, when any alliance thought that a mass raid was wrong, they could use the Moldavi Doctrine and declare on the aggressor. Ironically, the only time it was used would be the big step towards the end of the Moralist Era.

IS-CG War: The first mass tech raid the Cyberverse would see would be the Internet Superheroes attack on the Crimson Guard. Thw war would be short. Only two days. During those two days however, drama unfolded between Moralist and IS supporters. IS was supported by their Pink sphere allies in RAD and PC. CG was supported by....Invicta, OO, STA, Vires Noctu, CoJ, USCN, tC, TIO, Menotah, and tRE. Not one of those alliances held a treaty with IS. The Cyberverse wondered if the Moldavi Doctrine would be used to start a seventh global war. Unfortunately for war hawks, IS succumbed to the pressure and paid reps to CG. The first crisis in the Moralist Era had been resolved.

Crisis in Novemeber

Knights of Ni!: Of all the stupid things to do in late 2009....what Athens and CnG did is simply mind boggling. At this point, Moralism is at an all time high. The Moldavi Doctrine had been declared, Moralist won the IS-CG crisis, and tech raiding popularity was at an all time low. Why on earth did Athens and CnG decide to mass raid a helpless 40 man alliance? Doesn't really matter. Point is, Athens and KoN! reached an agreement. Regardless, this almost led to war between NpO and others and Athens. Once the issue was settled, the crisis was settled. War was avoided.

January and the end of the Moralist Era

NpO-\m/ War: After the infamous WWE(Worst War Ever) between TPF and RoK, the Cyberverse was getting angsty for war as usual. It came when PC, GOONS, and \m/ raided the small alliance of FoA. Just like the Knight of Ni! crisis, the aggressors eventually reached an agreement. Emperor Almighty Grub of NpO didn't really care. He, along with a bunch of others, were sick of the mass raiding. They were sick of raiders screaming out "Moralist scum. They were sick of the current state of the game. The New Polar Order declared war on \m/ to stop the mass raidings that always happened every other month and to set an example.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

Comrades,

I stand in our brave new world, and as I look around, and I do not like what I see.

I see many who claim freedom, whilst ignoring the freedom of others. When anyone objects to their exploitation of others, they cry ''bully, we are free to do as we like, who appointed you our judge''.

I see many who claim freedom, whilst openly mocking the systems that gave them the freedom in the first place. The same people who claimed to be oppressed under the boot of the Hegemony, now abuse their freedom to help themselves as they wish. When someone objects they cry ''moralist scum, hypocrite, who are you to say what is fair?"

I do however see many others, many who realize that our community has some standards, some agreed codes of conduct and some boundaries that keep our community functioning. We are forced to self-regulate, there is no CN Police, no Courts, except of public opinion and therefore as a community we are compelled to prevent anarchy by enforcing our own standards. This forum provides the platform for all and sundry to present their views and to be heard. Discussion and debate are an important part of our process, yet today I stand concerned that too few actually care at all about our community and what it needs to survive and with it, us.

For several months, behaviors that have long been considered against the greater good of the community have been on the rise. It is clear that many wish to test the community, find new boundaries, push existing ones and establish a lower standard of conduct for their benefit. These same people mock and ridicule those who question what they do, backing down when forced to do so, only to re-appear elsewhere with antics more befitting a zoo than a political community.

To date, diplomacy has prevailed, most people being reasonable and satisfied to test the boundaries without transgressing so far over the line they lose sight of the line itself. Yesterday diplomacy failed. Diplomacy can not be conducted when one party offers to expose his genitals repeatedly, diplomacy can not be conducted when one side resorts to the use of racist, offensive and degrading language to describe the other and diplomacy can not be attempted when neither side is prepared to concede anything at all.

Comrades, we are a community, all of us have an obligation to our community. Maybe some of you consider your job done just by showing up, but I firmly believe that there is more to be done. I believe in boundaries of common decency, I believe in a spirit of fair play and consideration, all whilst engaging in a lively and spirited debate. The call is often raised, ''do something about it'' and all that is required for our community to slide further into obscurity is for good men to do nothing.

Today, the New Polar Order, believing strongly in the protection of our standards, stands on the boundary. Our resolve has been tested but be assured even if we stand alone, we will not tolerate the behavior exhibited in recent times, we will not accept your freedoms without reminding you of the responsibility to the community that comes with it. You may decry us as moralists, hypocrites, opportunists, oppressors or anything else you like, but we believe in the preservation of our community at all costs. Tonight our tanks will roll, our battle standard will wave and whether we win or lose, we will be heard.

To preserve the standards of our community, we hereby declare war on \m/.

Alliance leadership has been informed previously, this comes as no surprise to \m/ and nor should it come as a surprise to anyone. We make no demands, nor will we, of anything relating to reparations, no alliances will be disbanded as a result of our war and peace is extremely simple to obtain.

To those of you laughing, think hard about your next actions, your intervention here will escalate this matter, Polaris will not be backing away from our position. I would urge you strongly, convince yourselves that our community has values, base values that we need to preserve and convince your allies in \m/ of the same.

To those of you who are too scared to speak up, find your voice and do so quickly. Alliances that bully other smaller alliances but object to the intervention by someone larger than them are the ones who hold the double standards. Polaris does not revel in its current role, but we will not allow evil to prevail, we believe we are good men.

o/ Polaris

** For those concerned, we will require NO assistance from our allies in dealing with this matter. If this matter is to escalate that will be by your choosing alone. I understand that a treaty partner of \m/ will choose to defend, we will await your deployment, also alone.

\m/ Good Luck and seriously do have fun, this ends when you are ready to end it.

TOP-CnG War: The end of the Moralist Era: The Moralist Era died on January 28th, 2010. The date in which NpO peaced out with \m/(as you see Grub wanted white peace as he stated in the NpO DoW) and the date in which TOP/IRON declared their infamous war on Complaints and Grievences. The NpO/TOP coalition would have won the war if screw up didn't happen. It was a total disastor from all sides. At this point, TOP were outnumbered and getting rolled, and NpO's declaration on GOD and reentry didn't help the Moralist comeback. The final nail in the coffin to the Moralist Era occured when the New Polar Order declared war on TOP, in defense of MK. The Moralist Era had ended.

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You are simply titled the post-karma shake up of the powers as your Moralist Era. Ivan's post, while significant, is not proof of a moral era. It is very NSO in policy, in that is a departure from accepted precedents in that time. If there had been a great war in this time period, there would have been reps. Tech raiding continued, as it always had. NpO declaring on \m/ wasn't for moral reasons. From what i read, A \m/ember said something offense and quite stupid, and the situation snowballed.

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You are simply titled the post-karma shake up of the powers as your Moralist Era. Ivan's post, while significant, is not proof of a moral era. It is very NSO in policy, in that is a departure from accepted precedents in that time. If there had been a great war in this time period, there would have been reps. Tech raiding continued, as it always had. NpO declaring on \m/ wasn't for moral reasons. From what i read, A \m/ember said something offense and quite stupid, and the situation snowballed.

The Moldavi Doctrine was announced at the time when the anti-tech raiding bandwagons were getting larger. It was all apart of the atmosphere of the era. Wheather NSO wanted that or not.

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I need to point this out for accuracy:

The NpO/TOP coalition would have won the war if screw up didn't happen. It was a total disastor from all sides.

Characterizing the Stab in the Back as a screw-up is ridiculous. Polar didn't trip over an \m/ corpse and the knife happened to land in our backs. Polar went against its immediate interests and the interests of the philosophy that it was representing to plant a K-bar firmly in our collective spine.

And since I am a TOP member posting about BiPolar, Grub will invariably show up and say one of the following lines:

1. It wasn't Polar, it was ME!

2. Your continued whining is pathetic.

Preemptive Response 1: The Emperor is the alliance. Quit trying to save your people, Moses.

Preemptive Response 2: Not nearly as pathetic as any Polar war effort in living memory.

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I need to point this out for accuracy:

Characterizing the Stab in the Back as a screw-up is ridiculous. Polar didn't trip over an \m/ corpse and the knife happened to land in our backs. Polar went against its immediate interests and the interests of the philosophy that it was representing to plant a K-bar firmly in our collective spine.

And since I am a TOP member posting about BiPolar, Grub will invariably show up and say one of the following lines:

1. It wasn't Polar, it was ME!

2. Your continued whining is pathetic.

Preemptive Response 1: The Emperor is the alliance. Quit trying to save your people, Moses.

Preemptive Response 2: Not nearly as pathetic as any Polar war effort in living memory.

1.) That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the white peace and the pre emptive attack happening on the same day.

2.) u mad? Had to ask... :smug:

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The build up to karma and karma itself was th start of the moralist movement. They banged on about EZI, viceroys, MK, TDSM8, reps, GATO, FAN, Legion and a dozen other things in the 1st moral crusade. It made the moral argument the mainstream argument, moral = good & immoral = bad according to karma. However, they won and spent the next 2 years complaining that people were using the same moral arguments they themselves used while committing similar crimes to the ones they formed karma to stop.

Karma and Vox are 100% responsible for moral politics.

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1.) That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the white peace and the pre emptive attack happening on the same day.

We're talking about exactly the same thing.

Grub went to MK and told them that we were planning to attack in support of NpO's position. MK prepared their side for the coming assault. One of those preparations was the timely acceptance of white peace that coincided with our DoW so as to cut what was one war into two distinct wars: one which was over, and one which had just begun.

Ingeniously played by MK. We were so impressed that we became their ally afterward.

NpO? The deepest circle of hell is reserved for betrayers and mutineers.

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We're talking about exactly the same thing.

Grub went to MK and told them that we were planning to attack in support of NpO's position. MK prepared their side for the coming assault. One of those preparations was the timely acceptance of white peace that coincided with our DoW so as to cut what was one war into two distinct wars: one which was over, and one which had just begun.

Ingeniously played by MK. We were so impressed that we became their ally afterward.

NpO? The deepest circle of hell is reserved for betrayers and mutineers.

Read the original \m/ DoW in the blog. The bolded part. Read what it says. I'm guessing your one those conspriacy theorist though?

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The build up to karma and karma itself was th start of the moralist movement. They banged on about EZI, viceroys, MK, TDSM8, reps, GATO, FAN, Legion and a dozen other things in the 1st moral crusade. It made the moral argument the mainstream argument, moral = good & immoral = bad according to karma. However, they won and spent the next 2 years complaining that people were using the same moral arguments they themselves used while committing similar crimes to the ones they formed karma to stop.

Karma and Vox are 100% responsible for moral politics.

Yeah because if we continued on with EZI then we'd be in pretty great shape. Great argument, shame on Vox for ending EZI. I mean the single greatest abomination in this game you eliminated hindered this game just oh so much crippling the game's future, how could you?

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I wouldn't really call the time between Karma and BiPolar to be the era of moralism more of the era of nothing worth arguing about so people got to complain about all there pointless pet peeves such as tech raiding. True moralism was when people stood up against the powers that were and said that what was happening was wrong despite the risk to themselves and the alliances they where part of.

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IS was supported by their Pink sphere allies in RAD and PC. CG was supported by....Invicta, OO, STA, Vires Noctu, CoJ, USCN, tC, TIO, Menotah, and tRE. Not one of those alliances held a treaty with IS.

I should hope we didn't. :lol1:

Also, STA didn't support them, it was Tyga doing what he did best; pretty sure TIO's was in the same vein. I remember TJO being present in planning, but I don't think they ever posted their support. We also had a couple of "unofficial" representatives from IAA.

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True moralism was when people stood up against the powers that were and said that what was happening was wrong despite the risk to themselves and the alliances they where part of.

This is correct. And it never existed on any large scale.

The blog, although an interesting history lesson, is entirely wrong in it's thesis. There never was at any point a "moralist era."

In order for there to actually be such an era, political lines would have to form between large alliances based on pre-established ethical stances as opposed to who is friends with who, ancient rivals between powerful individual nations, historic accident, and what is in the military best interest of any given alliance. The alliances on the "moralist side" also would need to actually practice what they preach.

Likewise, choices about what alliance to join (or not) would more often need to be based on what "side" of a moral vs. non-moral belief system on some sort of large scale.

Finally, the alliances on the "moralist" side would have to outnumber and out-gun the non-moralists to such an extent that the "moralists" could dictate their ethical stances to the non-moralists. Has not yet happened. Don't hold your breath waiting.

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I should hope we didn't. :lol1:

Also, STA didn't support them, it was Tyga doing what he did best; pretty sure TIO's was in the same vein. I remember TJO being present in planning, but I don't think they ever posted their support. We also had a couple of "unofficial" representatives from IAA.

Ever see the DoS by them in the wiki? I swear, it's there....

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Ever see the DoS by them in the wiki? I swear, it's there....

Ever read the actual threads? :P

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=66825

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=66832

The former is obvious, the latter less obvious but clarified later: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=66832&view=findpost&p=1790836

Both threads, well, met untimely ends. Also, the wiki article: http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Popcorn_War

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The reason I believe there is a Moralist Era is that I believe the peak of the outrage on tech raiding, on GOOONS/\m//PC, the whole "standing up for the little guy", a lot coincidently occured in between Karma and Bipolar. IDC whether NSO wanted it to be or not, the Moldavi Doctrine was formed during the beginning of this. 2 weeks later the IS War happened. After this you see more moral outrage against raiding and than other raids against KoN! and FoA and the outrage that came after it.

There doesn't have to be two distinct sides for an era to happen. The Moralism we all know and love was at it's hottest during the time in between Karma-Bipolar and was a top issue to talk about it. IMO, it was a phenomenom that won't ever happen again. That's why it was so interesting.

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NpO? The deepest circle of hell is reserved for betrayers and mutineers.

So I hope you enjoy NpO company because you are destined to the same circle. I really don't know how you can come here and show the fake outrage about treason after what you did with NpO and remember that NpO and ODN were allied unlikely NpO and TOP.

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There was never any 'Moralist Era' in CN. That would imply the people who were against raiding were being moralists themselves. The same people who railed against \m/ and GOONS for the things they did were the people in the WCE channel talking about ways to fabricate CB's and disband/extort high reps from those raiding alliances. Moralism was a tool used by some to build support against alliances they didn't like. VE has a set of morals they play by, NpO has a set they play by, GOONS has a set they play by. But there was never once a period in which people could claim that commonly shared morals were a driving force in what defined acceptable politics in CN, therefore it is hard, if not impossible, to say that there was ever a moralist 'era'.

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I was going to say what goldie already said. Moralism was/is nothing more than a ridiculous tool used by people scrambling for a way to get one in on their enemies, all you have to do is look at who's saying this or that is evil.

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There was never any 'Moralist Era' in CN. That would imply the people who were against raiding were being moralists themselves. The same people who railed against \m/ and GOONS for the things they did were the people in the WCE channel talking about ways to fabricate CB's and disband/extort high reps from those raiding alliances. Moralism was a tool used by some to build support against alliances they didn't like. VE has a set of morals they play by, NpO has a set they play by, GOONS has a set they play by. But there was never once a period in which people could claim that commonly shared morals were a driving force in what defined acceptable politics in CN, therefore it is hard, if not impossible, to say that there was ever a moralist 'era'.

All that I am saying was that the word 'Moralism' and how it used was at its peak during this time. Idc what happened afterwards.

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I'm still puzzled by what, exactly, "moralism" is in the common usage of the term. Nobody's ever stuck the label to me, but it has been stuck to Vox Populi, so presumably there's some connection. Since it apparently 'began' with us and was picked up by Karma I can only assume it refers to the emotional appeal that there are certain practices which are inherently unjust and unacceptable if we expect the world as we know it to remain self-sustaining.

We pressed that point quite adamantly during the resistance and it gained such popularity that the message was usurped by the coalition of pretenders calling itself Karma. In reality the philosophies of Vox Populi were simple utilitarianism. When that appeal was thrown as a disguise over tunnel-visioned politicians in executive positions as a rallying cry for what were, in hindsight, their own selfish ends it became "moralism". That is why you get replies like in this blog that it 'never existed'. If Vox had any fault it was in entrusting the post-war world to a generation that grew up under the Continuum / One Vision thumb.

That's my take anyway.

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I personally don't know the difinition of "Moralism" either. My point was is that "Moralism" was huge in the post-Karma world. You saw it being discussed everywhere, even if you didn't know what it meant. After Bipolar...the word just went away. Remember Te Moralist Front? What the hell happened to them after Bipolar?

The only time I hear it now is when some GOONS go:

"Duuuur....huuuuur.....you don't agree with us? Duuuuur.....huuuuur....damn Moralist".

Even that's rare to see these days

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