The Draconian

i would like to point out we had six member deletions, one of which was a 75K nation.

OOC: He went to basic training.

well this is all well and good but you forgot to include RIA for GATO as well as RnR, iFOK, and CMEA for UPN.

well this is all well and good but you forgot to include RIA for GATO as well as RnR, iFOK, and CMEA for UPN.

Didn't forget, just don't have the data. All of this is from an internal war stats thread that was never meant to see the light of day, but it quite clearly shows that this is a load of horse !@#$.

Because clearly UPN and GATO only fought GOD...

Not saying GOD are terrible fighters btw. Had fun against you in Bipolar

Because clearly UPN and GATO only fought GOD...

Not saying GOD are terrible fighters btw. Had fun against you in Bipolar

I know, I know. I wish I had the numbers for everyone else [see above] but I simply don't.

Gets better, Dear Leader.

[19:34:03] <Aurion> We've got 3.708m on the AA, and Tula is still on RIA's.

[19:34:58] <Emperor_Whimsical[GOD]> hmmm

[19:35:05] <Cthulhu> So we're looking at 3.75/3.9m NS for us?

[19:35:10] <Aurion> He's 58k, so. We went from 4.635 to 3.766 mil

[19:36:21] <Aurion> So, 869k

[19:36:24] <Aurion> ish

[19:36:30] <Aurion> ~870 to ballpark it

[19:36:33] * |EViLLaP| (evil0ne@dlp-AE76FE0F.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) Quit (Quit: )

[19:36:39] <Aurion> That's UPN, GATO, and deletions combined.

[19:37:14] <Aurion> We foguth GATO for one week, and they are claiming they did...40% of the damage we took.

[19:37:16] <Aurion> Give or take.

[19:37:19] <Aurion> fought*

[19:37:23] <Aurion> Total.

[19:37:28] <Aurion> oh dear me lol

[19:37:30] <Cthulhu> They're full of it.

[19:37:37] <@Mixoux> Yeah, we lost 8 nations

[19:37:40] <@Mixoux> one of which was 75K

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Shameless self-plugging itb.

Also:

In the final analysis the Infra heavy GOD nations for the first days of the war won GA's at about a 3/4 rate on average after that as the average god nation despite not being the central focus of GATOs conflict had lost an average of 2783.76 infra and 358.91 tech.

We had 103 nations when the war began. Kubla's blog is claiming we lost 286.6k infra and almost 36,687 Tech total, which equals out to... a shade over 1,040,000 NS.

Then, we had 668,282 Infra and 280,761 Tech.

Double edit: I forgot to add Tula to our current stats. Whoops! He's got 7k Infra and 5156 tech. Fixed.

Now, we have 516,263 Infra and 263,685 Tech.

We're out ~152,019 Infra, and ~17,076 Tech. And we haven't even begun the rebuilding fall yet!

I think a certain GATO statboy is ahhh...embellishing his claims a bit

Edit; Since it was brought up.

At 96 nations, it's claimed we dropped 267,240.96 Infra and 34,455 Tech.

152,019 Infra / 96 nations (Sorry for forgetting you, Tula!) is 1,583.53.

Divided among 103, 1,475.91.

17,706 Tech / 96 = 177.88

Divided by 103, 165.79.

Yeeeah, definitely a bit of embellishing going on

God, I forgot how much fun it can be to crunch them numbers. Once a IA guy, always an IA guy I guess.

To be fair, the other alliance you were fighting was UPN. I would say that giving UPN credit for even 60% of the damage is a bit generous.

To be fair, the other alliance you were fighting was UPN. I would say that giving UPN credit for even 60% of the damage is a bit generous.

And FHU, who if I'm honest were much better than both of the two, as is usual with smaller AA's [AB > Echelon > NPO > GDA in Karma, for instance]

Typo in title, should read "GATO/UPN Stats War"

Didn't forget, just don't have the data. All of this is from an internal war stats thread that was never meant to see the light of day, but it quite clearly shows that this is a load of horse !@#$.

no probs. at least you recognize that there were other nations, though i do see the angle you are going for which is not who caused the most damage but instead, contesting how much damage GATO did to GOD. sorry for any misunderstanding on my part as i thought it was more angled towards showing GOD caused more damage.

Gets better, Dear Leader.

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Shameless self-plugging itb.

Also:

We had 103 nations when the war began. Kubla's blog is claiming we lost 286.6k infra and almost 36,687 Tech total, which equals out to... a shade over 1,040,000 NS.

Then, we had 668,282 Infra and 280,761 Tech.

Double edit: I forgot to add Tula to our current stats. Whoops! He's got 7k Infra and 5156 tech. Fixed.

Now, we have 516,263 Infra and 263,685 Tech.

We're out ~152,019 Infra, and ~17,076 Tech. And we haven't even begun the rebuilding fall yet!

I think a certain GATO statboy is ahhh...embellishing his claims a bit

Edit; Since it was brought up.

At 96 nations, it's claimed we dropped 267,240.96 Infra and 34,455 Tech.

152,019 Infra / 96 nations (Sorry for forgetting you, Tula!) is 1,583.53.

Divided among 103, 1,475.91.

17,706 Tech / 96 = 177.88

Divided by 103, 165.79.

Yeeeah, definitely a bit of embellishing going on

God, I forgot how much fun it can be to crunch them numbers. Once a IA guy, always an IA guy I guess.

i could be wrong but i thought infra was worth 1.5 NS which would mean that the total NS lost from infra would be 430090.92 and the tech would be 184838.65 (NS lost) for a total NS lost of 614929.57. Though just to let Xiph know, the total NS lost for GOD was 502,022. 4,617,109 - 4,155,087= 462,022 not 283,498.

now, just cuz, i looked at UE's stats from the Jan 21st and Jan 30th.

Jan 21st

GATO 7,731,809

GOD 4,619,225

Jan 30th

GATO 5,668,237

GOD 4,153,808

A 2,063,572 loss for GATO and a 465,417 loss for GOD.though not sure if ya'll started on the 20th or the 21st, just went by the first date that Xiph used.

You're wrong. Infra is worth three. Land is worth 1.5

ahhh, thanks flak. i knew there was a 1.5 in there somewhere.

I don't know why Kubla made his post, but I don't really agree with his numbers. GATO honestly devoted very little attention to GOD at any NS range, and I doubt GOD reciprocated. The majority of GATO's offense wars were against RIA originally, and then TTK once they dow'd us. I don't know the numbers, but I assume GOD relished the opportunity to engage UPN, and focused primarily on them.

As expected GOD had us beat at the upper tier, and there were a couple of 13-15k tech nations who teamed up against a few of our nations and beat them hard. Besides that I can't think of anything in particular on the GATO-GOD front that stood out. Overall GATO fought RIA, TTK, GOD and CRAP, with TTK and CRAP only fighting us. To have heavily went after GOD, who was engaged with UPN, wouldn't make much sense.

i could be wrong but i thought infra was worth 1.5 NS which would mean that the total NS lost from infra would be 430090.92 and the tech would be 184838.65 (NS lost) for a total NS lost of 614929.57. Though just to let Xiph know, the total NS lost for GOD was 502,022. 4,617,109 - 4,155,087= 462,022 not 283,498.

now, just cuz, i looked at UE's stats from the Jan 21st and Jan 30th.

Jan 21st

GATO 7,731,809

GOD 4,619,225

Jan 30th

GATO 5,668,237

GOD 4,153,808

A 2,063,572 loss for GATO and a 465,417 loss for GOD.though not sure if ya'll started on the 20th or the 21st, just went by the first date that Xiph used.

The numbers I posted are what we lost throughout the entire thing (current stats subtracted from what we had when we warbuffed), not just the first couple weeks.

I read Kubla's blog post, went "wait what" and started ganking numbers :v

My stats were not as in depth and based on attack reports, nuke reports, and nation by nation damage, i didnt and couldnt take the rebuying of NS, adding tech, or the like.

I will do a more in depth breakdown but as i stated, mine was a very general and boiled down GATO-GOD specific report.

I will edit my post to reflect facts and stats you have and if you wish a break down like CSN or GOONS i can provide that in a day or 2

Id rather be correct here than be "right" if you will and any inaccuracies were unintentional as i posted with a specific intention of a non-bias report

I don't know why Kubla made his post, but I don't really agree with his numbers. GATO honestly devoted very little attention to GOD at any NS range, and I doubt GOD reciprocated. The majority of GATO's offense wars were against RIA originally, and then TTK once they dow'd us. I don't know the numbers, but I assume GOD relished the opportunity to engage UPN, and focused primarily on them.

We were concerned with relieving RIA as much as possible but you're right, by the time GATO entered we had a lot of nations already engaged with UPN so it was a bit limited as to what we could shift over.

All these numbers make my head hurt and my heart cry.

All these numbers make my head hurt and my heart cry.

What could is having weapons if you're not gonna use em?

UPN hardly offensively declared on GOD throughout the war, we concentrated on iFOK, but did declare on R&R quite a bit too. Frankly (after the initial attack) GOD hardly declared much on us either so we spent most of the war fighting the other three (which was plenty)

So if any figures are getting thrown up about how little damage UPN did to GOD or vica versa I'm not remotely surprised.

We were concerned with relieving RIA as much as possible but you're right, by the time GATO entered we had a lot of nations already engaged with UPN so it was a bit limited as to what we could shift over.

That is basically the way I figured it. You all simply didn't have that many nations who weren't already in nuke anarchy or at least engaged with nuclear nations, nor did you have large PM reserves (which wasn't surprising, you are GOD afterall.) Based on this knowledge, we figured that despite being the most combat prepared alliance we were fighting (by far,) you did not pose the biggest threat because of the limited engagement possibilities.

We still had no answer for Midknight and the nations he was teaming with though, which was extremely frustrating. GOD had the ability to selectively hit our top 3 nations without much fear of being countered because we were already engaged for the most part at that NS range. Had the war gone on longer, that would have presented a big problem for our top 10 nations. The other alliances we were fighting (RIA, TTK, CRAP) didn't have nearly the firepower in terms of tech that you guys did, kudos for that.

UPN hardly offensively declared on GOD throughout the war, we concentrated on iFOK, but did declare on R&R quite a bit too. Frankly (after the initial attack) GOD hardly declared much on us either so we spent most of the war fighting the other three (which was plenty)

Not for lack of trying. In my range [60k or so] all but you and Tecumseh were in peace mode for several weeks on end.

That is basically the way I figured it. You all simply didn't have that many nations who weren't already in nuke anarchy or at least engaged with nuclear nations, nor did you have large PM reserves (which wasn't surprising, you are GOD afterall.) Based on this knowledge, we figured that despite being the most combat prepared alliance we were fighting (by far,) you did not pose the biggest threat because of the limited engagement possibilities.

We still had no answer for Midknight and the nations he was teaming with though, which was extremely frustrating. GOD had the ability to selectively hit our top 3 nations without much fear of being countered because we were already engaged for the most part at that NS range. Had the war gone on longer, that would have presented a big problem for our top 10 nations. The other alliances we were fighting (RIA, TTK, CRAP) didn't have nearly the firepower in terms of tech that you guys did, kudos for that.

Yep, I hear you on all counts and that's very logical. I just wish Kublah's post was half as so, because calling us 'infra heavy, tech light' and saying we took just slightly less damage than GATO did is just a joke.

sorry to let you down xif

It's alright, if your intent truly wasn't to spit out propaganda, then all is kosher and fine. It just really came across that way.