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Disbandment, moralism and some leader


erikz

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Ladies and gentlemen,

I was never a real blogger, or someone who needed to share his thoughts with the outside world. Today though, something came to my attention, which I need to ventilate to the rest of the world.

As you all know, my alliance is at war with several alliances (who's alliance isn't at this point in time). Some of us want to come to an understanding regarding peace, cessation of hostilities and so on. My alliance, myself and of course a lot of other people are against terms, may it be monetary, may it be physical as in destroying improvements, wonders, military etc. A plain no re-entry clause will do.

It's hard enough to come to an understanding between opposing parties, even if one is the obvious loser. Now enter a third party who fights on 'our' side, and is frustrating peace talks by only wanting one thing: disbandment of the alliance we're both fighting.

Now here my frustration starts. One thing is that this way it's impossible for us to get peace, white peace to be precise, the only thing we'll go for. The other thing is that I hate the fact that some people want to make the game impossible to play for others. If they don't have it their way, there will be no way at all.

How can you be such an utter @#$*@$#, and still think you hold the moral high ground? We're talking about forcing an alliance into disbanding here – an alliance which merely came to the defense of their long time allies. Sure, we aren't friends, but why make life impossible for each other?

I know these ramblings might seem futile. I'm sure people will laugh about it, think I'm a puss of some sort. At least I can go to sleep at night knowing I'm fighting a clean fight and don't bully others into deleting their nations to escape some !@#$%^&* ulterior motives.

erikz of Twinte

ps.: I'm asking you to be lenient towards me about my (probably obvious) spelling or grammar mistakes. ;)

ps two: Misfit nations; please contact me about the reps I'm going to pay for the Knights of Hyrule. You promised you to contact me but haven't done so yet.

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I think at times we can all use a reminder that we're playing a game here and sometimes fun is fun and done is done. Someone in an alliance that left this war after 8 days told me they'd been to hell and back; they must've taken the autobahn to do it so fast. Meanwhile, this alliance you're speaking about has truly put everything on the line in defense of their ally despite all the criticisms and WAEs thrown around at them for a year, and without regard to their performance, I can respect that in this game populated by survivalists. I hope that the rulers and leaders in your coalition keep this at the forefront of their minds, everything is cyclical, and we're all playing the same game.

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Whoever is really pushing for disbandment need to realize that it is almost impossible to disband an alliance in the first place(not counting VE's hiatus of course). Look at FAN. They had to live for over a year of being pounded by NPO and One Vision. Did they disband? No. Anyone who wants disbandment shouldn't be playing this game. Just leave. You're ruining it for the rest of us.

Good blog

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Even from someone on the other side, I respect what UPN did for Polar in this war, however futile and ineffective it may have been. They stood by their allies and wouldn't hear of terms being presented to them. I wish them a successful exit from the war.

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Whoever is really pushing for disbandment need to realize that it is almost impossible to disband an alliance in the first place(not counting VE's hiatus of course). Look at FAN. They had to live for over a year of being pounded by NPO and One Vision. Did they disband? No. Anyone who wants disbandment shouldn't be playing this game. Just leave. You're ruining it for the rest of us.

Good blog

You sound like you don't know who it is? :)

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Anyone who would attempt to disband an alliance they had been at war with in my opinion is the lowest of the low, and I would like to think that CN was made up of better people (I know I know, I'm too nice about some people) but if what you say is correct and someone is actively pushing for disbandment then I hope all of CN rises up and crushes them with the CB being '!@#$% bag'.

There are some alliances out there that I'm not too fond of, but I wouldn't even dream of attempting to disband any of them, this is just for fun after all, what the hell is the point? We fought a war, it was fun, we won, congrats, so yeah now we want to ruin everyone else's day and force you to disband. Grow up!

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Over the 4 years in CN I've seen my share of forced disbandments and some of those I had a small hand in and not so happy about. Each alliance is their community, and no other alliance or nation has the right to destroy that community. No matter what a person thinks of the alliance they are forcing out it's just not right to do. Force an alliance to disband is only asking for it in the long run as there is many parts of CN history that show that. I hope that those trying to impose such actions on an alliance or alliances start realizing that what goes around comes around and will come back to get you in the end. You just have to look at many of histories famous leaders that have fallen to know that repeating their actions will only put you on that same list.

If you don't like the alliance then ask for reps and get it over with. Let people exit wars honorably. Disbanding an alliance is not the way to end anything.

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Expecting an alliance to disband in order to get peace is both wrong and counter-productive. Tell your ally "thanks" but if they are really your ally they should respect your wishes NOT to raise the bar for a peace agreement with terms that you don't want. Seems to me an ally should respect that as opposed to demanding MORE than what you want.

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Expecting an alliance to disband in order to get peace is both wrong and counter-productive. Tell your ally "thanks" but if they are really your ally they should respect your wishes NOT to raise the bar for a peace agreement with terms that you don't want. Seems to me an ally should respect that as opposed to demanding MORE than what you want.

The problem is they are not my ally. Furthermore, whats the point of us signing a peace agreement if it still means the other party will be forced into disbanding?

It's very simple. Walk away and leave them on the battlefield. If they want to disband the other alliance so badly, let them do it on their own.

This would mean we're helping the disbandment happen. Once we peace out, we have no say in the situation anymore....

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This would mean we're helping the disbandment happen. Once we peace out, we have no say in the situation anymore....

not really. If everyone leaves GOD to handle UPN and allies on their own then GOD wont be able to force them to disband because they aren't strong enough to do it on their own.

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not really. If everyone leaves GOD to handle UPN and allies on their own then GOD wont be able to force them to disband because they aren't strong enough to do it on their own.

That would require more than just iFOK leaving. While iFOK is not directly allied to GOD, R&R is, and I suspect they might have a few qualms with leaving GOD in the war.

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I may have just completely misunderstood, but I believe the idea was "we're not peacing right now" instead of "we're never peacing you." that's just what I saw though. You probably know more about the situation than I do however.

On a side note iFOK has fought very well in this war and very honorable. I salute you guys. o/

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As much as I dislike UPN... forced disbandment is not the way to go. Destroying a community of friends (and sometimes "family" if tight enough) is a rather egregious course of action to take from both an IC and OOC perspective.

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Now here my frustration starts. One thing is that this way it's impossible for us to get peace, white peace to be precise, the only thing we'll go for. The other thing is that I hate the fact that some people want to make the game impossible to play for others. If they don't have it their way, there will be no way at all.

I am not interested about the specific situation, but in general and as a player I'd say that you have a warped sense of what your Foreign Affairs should be. I'll try to outline a few principles which I consider universally valid and which I hope can help you:

1. You don't need to follow an ally if you think they're doing it wrong.

2. Allies that needlessly throw their weight around are a liability: try to have them reason.

3. People that needlessly throw your weight around aren't real allies: try to distance yourself from them.

4. Treaties can be cancelled - and much more easily than a stain on your reputation - when there's a valid reason to do so.

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This would mean we're helping the disbandment happen. Once we peace out, we have no say in the situation anymore....

Not really. You're helping if you keep fighting, not if you walk away.

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Really? No alliance deserves to disband.

When your existence is more of a drain on it's members and leaders and you're doing a disservice by staying together fighting the inevitable.

Your statement is like staying "No marriage deserves divorce" yet it happens, and usually happens for a good reason.

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When your existence is more of a drain on it's members and leaders and you're doing a disservice by staying together fighting the inevitable.

Your statement is like staying "No marriage deserves divorce" yet it happens, and usually happens for a good reason.

Well, to take the analogy to its next logical step....

Most divorces aren't caused by someone beating up the couple until they agree to end it.

I know nothing about this situation beyond that it seems Xiphosis is behind it. If so, I shall file this under "Unsurprising".

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Really? No alliance deserves to disband.

I believe the point CSM was making, is that if an alliance is very terrible it will disband on its own, and therefore there is no reason for someone to force another alliance to disband just because they think its terrible.

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