Kalasin's Blog

You can take the wolf out of the wild but you can't the wild out of the wolf, as the saying goes. My point is that, despite your falling away and recent guilt wracked conversion, that you haven't provided any thoughts original to the subject and are only thinking inside the paradigm provided from your upbringing. No surprise, really, considering that the majority of people given the information you have would come to the same conclusion. We are remarkably good machines in that respects. The fact that you fell away and returned to a comfortably familiar dogma is a frequently related story.

Congratulations on urging love to everyone, but perhaps you should spend more time thinking about what really is a sin and why it is so, and see if what to consenting adults do actually falls into that category. Then ask yourself what justification or reasoning would ancient jews have for making such a pronouncement.

Truly original thought rarely occurs, particularly in places like the Cyber Nations Forums. When I write essays at university, it is very difficult to come up with something that nobody has ever said before, and you end up citing what other people have said about the subject before drawing your own conclusions. Thus the fact that my arguments against homosexuality in this blog have been made elsewhere (and perhaps with more eloquence) is not indicative of narrow-mindedness or being sheltered (on the contrary, I assure you, the vast majority of the people I interact with on a daily basis are atheists or atheistically inclined agnostics, and I have had to really think through my religious views in order to maintain them.) The reason I think this blog post is important is because I think most people group 'those Christians who disapprove of homosexuality' into one big group, and quite frankly I don't like being identified with the Hillsboro Baptist lot. I also think my attempt to introduce the concepts of unconditional love to the reader (something which most people don't understand, which is very clear from some of the responses) is quite important.

I am quite serious. You may not think yourself wretched and vile, most people would consider themselves righteous and good. But try to believe me, you really are wretched. Your every opinion is vile. You are corrupted, possibly beyond redemption.

You are revolting. What makes you so horrible is that you think you are just, you think you are loving. You are the opposite of everything you believe yourself to be.

I said in the OP that I really struggle to be who I would like to be. I'm suffering from no delusions when it comes to what I'm like. On the contrary, the very reason that I'm a Christian is that I have done so much stuff that is wrong and I need forgiveness. When I say "all humans are equally filthy in God's sight", I mean all humans, including me.

Actually, my very belief in God gives me a standard by which to judge what is right and wrong, because what is right is consistent with God's character. The existence of other people's opinions on morality doesn't prove that morality is not objective, just as the fact that some people believe the earth is flat does not make the issue subjective.

Your belief in a higher power is precisely that -- a belief. As your views on morality are determined by your belief that a higher power exists (something which, unlike the roundness of the earth, cannot be verified) and what you feel his perspective of morality to be, your views are not objective on a very fundamental level.

Your belief in a higher power is precisely that -- a belief. As your views on morality are determined by your belief that a higher power exists (something which, unlike the roundness of the earth, cannot be verified) and what you feel his perspective of morality to be, your views are not objective on a very fundamental level.

For a start, I think it's possible to demonstrate God's existence philosophically, but for the sake of argument, let's assume that God's existence is not able to be proven: you still haven't demonstrated conclusively that morality is not objective.

I said in the OP that I really struggle to be who I would like to be. I'm suffering from no delusions when it comes to what I'm like. On the contrary, the very reason that I'm a Christian is that I have done so much stuff that is wrong and I need forgiveness. When I say "all humans are equally filthy in God's sight", I mean all humans, including me.

Who you would like to be is even worse than who you are now, but you are suffering from delusions when it comes to what you're like. You can't expect to just include an empty qualifier like "lol I'm fallen" and then go ahead and spout the most vicious hatred disguised in a velvet glove and then think people will accept your humbleness.

If you really believed all humans were filthy in the eyes of God, why do you think yourself better than other sinners? Empty statements to the contrary doesn't qualify if they are preceded by and followed by condemnation of others. Adding the fact that you seem to believe in what you're saying makes you worse than if you were insincere and simply trying to rouse hate for your own petty ego.

You actually believe in the disgusting things you say.

Freedom of Religion should also mean Freedom from Religion. Why should other elements of society adopt your religions values?

This is me agreeing with TypoNinja. Get your religious laws and rules out of my life.

Who you would like to be is even worse than who you are now, but you are suffering from delusions when it comes to what you're like. You can't expect to just include an empty qualifier like "lol I'm fallen" and then go ahead and spout the most vicious hatred disguised in a velvet glove and then think people will accept your humbleness.

If you really believed all humans were filthy in the eyes of God, why do you think yourself better than other sinners? Empty statements to the contrary doesn't qualify if they are preceded by and followed by condemnation of others. Adding the fact that you seem to believe in what you're saying makes you worse than if you were insincere and simply trying to rouse hate for your own petty ego.

You actually believe in the disgusting things you say.

I'm not advocating "vicious hatred" towards homosexuals or anyone else. I'm advocating kindness and care towards everyone, including homosexuals. I have stated that I'm not better than anyone else, and you have rejected that as insincere based on the fact that I believe that other people are sinners too, which is simply not a logical argument. I can only re-iterate that I honestly, truly see myself as perhaps the greatest of sinners (a phrase that true Christians have often used to describe themselves, incidentally) and if you don't believe that's how I feel then there's not much I can do to convince you.

(As an aside, I really don't understand how anyone can conclude that unconditional love towards people even though they do wrong is "vicious hatred". I thought it would be an easy matter to explain to non-Christians the ideas about love for people who do wrong.. after all, that's the entire basis for loving your enemy. Can you honestly not see that loving people regardless of what they have done is the best way to live? I've never actually discussed this precise topic with non-Christians before, because it's something God only explained to me recently, and I'm rather surprised at the depth of spiritual blindness tbqh, but I suppose you'll think I'm talking nonsense.)