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Dark Templar Reparations

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I was asking for 30,000 in technology in reparations from any source DT could get it. Legacy agreed to accept 20,000 and 10,000 was to be sent to The Commonwealth. This was met with threats from DT for an expanded war. DT optionally entered into war with The Commonwealth and her allies. There are consequences for optionally going to war with people, and those consequences should be expected when you enter a war with no obligation to do so. Their great loyalty to LoSS had them come asking for peace with us after a week of war, with no consideration for whether LoSS got peace or not.

Throughout the peace process I've consistently lowered the amount and severity of the reparations demanded only to have DT lower their offer again and again. They've made a concerted effort to smear me and The Commonwealth to the world with half-truths and lies. They've sent messages to our membership urging them to revolt against the government. They've offered their ally's declaration on NPO (unasked for and unwanted by The Commonwealth) in return for peace. They've threatened us and our allies with escalation by allies that have agreed to not re-enter the conflict and those as yet uninvolved. They've been underhanded and dishonest throughout the entire peace process. This is why I am demanding reparations and will continue to do so.

I am done backing down. I am done being threatened. I am done negotiating. I am done being fair and reasonable to those that would not return the kindness. If you wish to escalate things, do it and watch your alliances burn to the ground. If you want to smear me, it has been done. If you want your allies to declare war on NPO, I don't care if they do or not. The Commonwealth stands.

The terms stand at 30,000 technology paid by DT nations paid to the combined nations of Legacy and The Commonwealth. During the period that DT is paying reparations they will not carry standing navies or nuclear arsenals. No more negotiating. No more middle-men. No more anything. Surrender or burn.



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What other treaty did they declare off?

Fronz, thanks for letting me research ours and Legacy's DoW again. CSN declared on LoSS with no treaties to bring them in on LoSS. And Legacy came in on the oA of that treaty. So in correction of the optional part. What the heck you drinking to try declaring on an alliance without a valid reason or treaty to bring you in?

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OK. Enjoy burning.

When you get tired, I'll use your line for this, "you know where to find us."

It appears that you guys are losing more members. You should really start thinking of that and taking some of the offers out there. They won't get any better.

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Fronz, thanks for letting me research ours and Legacy's DoW again. CSN declared on LoSS with no treaties to bring them in on LoSS. And Legacy came in on the oA of that treaty. So in correction of the optional part. What the heck you drinking to try declaring on an alliance without a valid reason or treaty to bring you in?

Confidence juice (the reasoning has been posted many times, and I'd rather not get into that), my point was, we saw your deceleration on legacy as an activation of the mutual defense portion of our pact, as the treaty says "An attack against CSN is an attack against Legacy and vise versa."

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It appears that you guys are losing more members. You should really start thinking of that and taking some of the offers out there. They won't get any better.

Aw look, you think our membership is revolting and leaving. Guess you guys really took those screen-shots for more than they're worth.

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Aw look, you think our membership is revolting and leaving. Guess you guys really took those screen-shots for more than they're worth.

Nope don't care about the screenshots really. It's was nice to see that your membership didn't agree with what you are doing, but could really careless on what they decide to do. Just that I noticed that you had lost a member is all.

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Nope don't care about the screenshots really. It's was nice to see that your membership didn't agree with what you are doing, but could really careless on what they decide to do. Just that I noticed that you had lost a member is all.

If you don't care about what our members do then why follow if any leave? Why call out to our members to do anything?

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It appears that you guys are losing more members. You should really start thinking of that and taking some of the offers out there. They won't get any better.

Not a chance, If you think our membership is in revolt now, I can't imagine what they would do to us if we told them, "Hey guys we accepted terms from DT, LOL." At least there would be a riot, and I have a feeling some of our members would go rogue on you and refuse to end the war.

On the other hand it seems your alliance must convince its deserters to come back and offer aid rewards you guys are so desperate, or perhaps your members are just using our surrender offer as an easy way to peace out of their current wars to re-declare new ones?

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If you don't care about what our members do then why follow if any leave? Why call out to our members to do anything?

When have I said anything about your members to do anything?

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When have I said anything about your members to do anything?

You just said our members are burning. And I've seen several posts commenting to our members separately from our Government.

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You just said our members are burning. And I've seen several posts commenting to our members separately from our Government.

I have? I said I saw you lost a member.

Burning? Really aren't we all as we continue to war each other? So why would I make a reference of your members burning if it's goes both ways?

You've seen several posts to your members separately from your gov? I've only been posting about the terms and getting peace between our alliances. Please point me in direction of one of these posts to refresh my memory, and if need be clarify anything said.

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I have? I said I saw you lost a member.

Burning? Really aren't we all as we continue to war each other? So why would I make a reference of your members burning if it's goes both ways?

You've seen several posts to your members separately from your gov? I've only been posting about the terms and getting peace between our alliances. Please point me in direction of one of these posts to refresh my memory, and if need be clarify anything said.

For now.

Go look through that thread you posted. There are various shout's to our members in it. I'm not going to waste my time looking for each one because frankly I know what I've seen, and I know how pissed our members are at you about everything they've seen from you.

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For now.

Go look through that thread you posted. There are various shout's to our members in it. I'm not going to waste my time looking for each one because frankly I know what I've seen, and I know how pissed our members are at you about everything they've seen from you.

At least point out one? Cause the only thread I started was our DoW on Legacy. And I'm not a super heavy poster on owf unless I have something of value to say to the conversation. And lately that's been more to rebut on Penkala's crazy ideas, and within the blogs of this one and Penkala.

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At least point out one? Cause the only thread I started was our DoW on Legacy. And I'm not a super heavy poster on owf unless I have something of value to say to the conversation. And lately that's been more to rebut on Penkala's crazy ideas, and within the blogs of this one and Penkala.

It's really not worth my time or the effort to me. Especially not when I'm busy and at this time. <_<

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@myworld,

I've gotten a number of threats from your members about all these allies that are coming any day to kick our ass. And you've made that particular threat on several occasions in IRC. Now, we're in public and I notice that said threat is noticeably absent.

Why have one face behind closed doors and another in public, eh? Threaten us now. Come on, don't you know how bad we're losing. That's the party line you've been telling your members. We're all in big trouble. Such big trouble that we'll have to accept white peace and give an apology. Well, here we are in public. Where's the hard stance, brother?

As for you guys not knowing anything about attempting to get us to disband, two nights ago, Magnet sent messages to several of our members suggesting they leave for other alliances. Other members of your alliance tried to talk SOM into a ceasefire (for him and his opponents). Still others have tried to talk Legacy members into a ceasefire under false pretenses. Are all these members, rogue? Magnet, is he not a major player in your alliance? I suppose you're not responsible for him, either, eh?

We both know what's going on here. You're losing a war. You're going to continue losing a war. No one is coming to save you. And every day it'll get worse. So stop pretending like you're in a position to dictate terms to us. You aren't. And you won't be.

As for your half truths or blatant lies, wannna tell us again how you brought LoSS with you to the original peace talks? Wanna explain exactly what drove you to suddenly switch from 30K in reps to white peace and an apology from us? Because the logs reveal what really occurred. You took advantage of someone hacking admin access to our forum and providing you with out of context quote, used your misunderstanding of that discussion to claim that we were in revolt. You thought you had the cheat code and a way out of a war where you got in WAAAAAAY over your head. And unfortunately, you're such a poor diplomat that you really didn't understand what leverage you really had and in doing so you condemned your entire alliance. Your alliance had the opportunity to recover from this war entirely within a month or two. You had the opportunity to be fully on the road to recovery at this very moment. Instead you condemned your alliance to being completely weakened and unable to prosecute a war for a very long time. Nations who wanted nothing other than to just continue building and saving are now watching everything they built be destroyed. And that occurred because your ego outdistanced your skill in battle or diplomacy.

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By the by, the average NS lost in DT in the last five days is 7K per nation. 7K for every nation in DT. How long do you think you can withstand an assault of that magnitude?

You've got hardly any nukes left. No navies. No land. And you're entire alliance is quickly heading toward ZI. At what point is time to stop playing the fiddle?

We're in public. Say it before your alliance and ours, do you actually think you guys can win? It's time to start being realistic and stop acting like if you say it, it must be true.

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It's really not worth my time or the effort to me. Especially not when I'm busy and at this time. <_<

It just might be worth your time. If this is part of the issues that is keeping people from coming to agreements. If you have issues with something then people bring it up and show people the problem and we find a solution. Hmmm sounds a little like negotiating.

Only way anything is going to be resolved is by people stepping up and talking about the issues and providing proof of the issues happening and we work it out.

I'm not some hard head guy that is out to get you, your membership, or anyone else for that matters. All I've been looking to have accomplished between DT and CSN is find a reasonable end to our war. Not extreme reps for bs reasons that you didn't like how we entered. The same can be said about you but we haven't. We haven't gone after you for reps for having ghosts from FoK and GOD come hit our members. It's a useless point to try and resolve since both sides were out trying to defend their ally and the reason our allies entered this war are gone.

Now it's just time to see that there is no reason to continue this and we end it and walk away.

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It just might be worth your time. If this is part of the issues that is keeping people from coming to agreements. If you have issues with something then people bring it up and show people the problem and we find a solution. Hmmm sounds a little like negotiating.

Only way anything is going to be resolved is by people stepping up and talking about the issues and providing proof of the issues happening and we work it out.

I'm not some hard head guy that is out to get you, your membership, or anyone else for that matters. All I've been looking to have accomplished between DT and CSN is find a reasonable end to our war. Not extreme reps for bs reasons that you didn't like how we entered. The same can be said about you but we haven't. We haven't gone after you for reps for having ghosts from FoK and GOD come hit our members. It's a useless point to try and resolve since both sides were out trying to defend their ally and the reason our allies entered this war are gone.

Now it's just time to see that there is no reason to continue this and we end it and walk away.

Whelp, go look at the OP of the post you made. At the bottom there is a shoutout to our members which is trying to acknowledge any "revolt" going on (which, couldn't be further from the truth). Go look for more if you'd please. I'm not digging through pages to satisfy you.

Only way this is going to be resolved is if two opposing Governments work together with each other. We've lowered our demands, and at the same time it's all you do as well. In negotiations people work towards the middle ground; we've done our part. I've yet to see you do yours.

No, but you did threaten ZI on one person who joined us.

Edit: Not you specifically, but one of your people.

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It just might be worth your time. If this is part of the issues that is keeping people from coming to agreements. If you have issues with something then people bring it up and show people the problem and we find a solution. Hmmm sounds a little like negotiating.

Only way anything is going to be resolved is by people stepping up and talking about the issues and providing proof of the issues happening and we work it out.

I'm not some hard head guy that is out to get you, your membership, or anyone else for that matters. All I've been looking to have accomplished between DT and CSN is find a reasonable end to our war. Not extreme reps for bs reasons that you didn't like how we entered. The same can be said about you but we haven't. We haven't gone after you for reps for having ghosts from FoK and GOD come hit our members. It's a useless point to try and resolve since both sides were out trying to defend their ally and the reason our allies entered this war are gone.

Now it's just time to see that there is no reason to continue this and we end it and walk away.

Does using OOC information to complete flip your offer sound like negotiation? Does that sound like a "reasonable end to this war"?

I notice that it's time to stop talking when someone calls you out on the difference between your private stance and what you say in public?

Which alliances are coming to your defense? Where are your threats that this front is about to blow up with people entering on your side? Where is all the bluster about how you're winning this war? Come on, don't save it all for your backroom BS. Here's your chance for bluster. Or do you admit that you're condemning your membership to ZI because you refuse to accept the terms you told us you wanted?

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Oh, and let's talk about ghosts.

Have you used ghosts, DT? I know the line your giving your members is that we're cheating and various other nonsense. I've found 5 ghosts in your alliance today. Out of 50 nations. They either ghosted another AA or they are ghosting yours.

The difference between us and you is that our tactics are successful. Every time someone changes to your AA we devastate them. I suggest you attempt to do the same. That's called prosecuting a war.

Example:

http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display_charts.asp?Nation_ID=292253

That's what we do when someone sits in symphony and then jumps into your AA and jumps on a couple of our members. We don't whine and complain and say it isn't fair. We just crush them into dust.

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@myworld,

I've gotten a number of threats from your members about all these allies that are coming any day to kick our ass. And you've made that particular threat on several occasions in IRC. Now, we're in public and I notice that said threat is noticeably absent.

That's part of war in-game for people to say that there are nations going to declare on you. Get over it.

Why have one face behind closed doors and another in public, eh? Threaten us now. Come on, don't you know how bad we're losing. That's the party line you've been telling your members. We're all in big trouble. Such big trouble that we'll have to accept white peace and give an apology. Well, here we are in public. Where's the hard stance, brother?

I don't have a hard stance. I've been open to negotiations with your gov from the beginning to find a fair and suitable resolve to the war.

As for you guys not knowing anything about attempting to get us to disband, two nights ago, Magnet sent messages to several of our members suggesting they leave for other alliances. Other members of your alliance tried to talk SOM into a ceasefire. Still others have tried to talk Legacy members into a ceasefire under false pretenses. Are all these members, rogue? Magnet, is he not a major player in your alliance? I suppose you're not responsible for him, either, eh?

This is the first I've heard of it. Should your gov had brought this to my attention then I would of taken steps to slap him around. Magnet is a normal member and not part of the government. That line of pm's is not something I would of instructed our members to do.

We both know what's going on here. You're losing a war. You're going to continue losing a war. No one is coming to save you. And every day it'll get worse. So stop pretending like you're in a position to dictate terms to us. You aren't. And you won't be.

Until you're in gov with ourselves and our allies then you need not worry about where they are.

As for your half truths or blatant lies, wannna tell us again how you brought LoSS with you to the original peace talks? Wanna explain exactly what drove you to suddenly switch from 30K in reps to white peace and an apology from us? Because the logs reveal what really occurred. You took advantage of someone hacking admin access to our forum and providing you with out of context quote, used your misunderstanding of that discussion to claim that we were in revolt. You thought you had the cheat code and a way out of a war where you got in WAAAAAAY over your head. And unfortunately, you're such a poor diplomat that you really didn't understand what leverage you really had and in doing so you condemned your entire alliance. Your alliance had the opportunity to recover from this war entirely within a month or two. You had the opportunity to be fully on the road to recovery at this very moment. Instead you condemned your alliance to being completely weakened and unable to prosecute a war for a very long time. Nations who wanted nothing other than to just continue building and saving are now watching everything they built be destroyed. And that occurred because your ego outdistanced your skill in battle or diplomacy.

Sure I'll explain. LoSS had already been working on terms on their other front dealing with TIO, and we knew that they were getting ready to get out in the next day or 2. So we went to CSN to start those talks ourselves and get some terms setup so when all of the sides had their agreements in place then all the wars would end shortly there of. We suddenly went from 30k to white peace and an OPTIONAL apology due the fact that your gov walked out of the negotiations without a word. When an alliance walks out then any offer that was on the table is voided. So you don't get the same offer when you decide to come back. If an alliance needs time to talk about the offer then they say we'll talk about and get back to you. Leaving the door open for another round of talks. Even Goose had stated that when he left he had no intention of accepting the 30k offer so there was no offer there. The White Peace offer with the apology was something of good faith to CSN to help your gov save face and better the appearance and actions they had taken up to this time by giving them a way to say "Were sorry to their allies, fellow members, any anyone else they wanted to apologies to." It was never a required thing for them to do. The minute that they didn't want to do that. It was off the table, and we were ready to continue on from there to find middle ground.

And for the rest of your thoughts of what we had or have or us being able to war for a long time has yet to be. We don't care about our pixels, but look for what is right and fair to end this between our alliances.

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Whelp, go look at the OP of the post you made. At the bottom there is a shoutout to our members which is trying to acknowledge any "revolt" going on (which, couldn't be further from the truth). Go look for more if you'd please. I'm not digging through pages to satisfy you.

Only way this is going to be resolved is if two opposing Governments work together with each other. We've lowered our demands, and at the same time it's all you do as well. In negotiations people work towards the middle ground; we've done our part. I've yet to see you do yours.

No, but you did threaten ZI on one person who joined us.

Edit: Not you specifically, but one of your people.

Sorry no I didn't threaten to ZI anyone. If one of the members did that is his right to do so. It's a game and people can attempt to ZI people. We have no ZI list or care to carry one. So even when the war is over and the ZI didn't happen then well I guess people didn't do a good enough job and the guy fighting against it did a great job in doing so. And people go their merry way.

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Does using OOC information to complete flip your offer sound like negotiation? Does that sound like a "reasonable end to this war"?

I notice that it's time to stop talking when someone calls you out on the difference between your private stance and what you say in public?

Which alliances are coming to your defense? Where are your threats that this front is about to blow up with people entering on your side? Where is all the bluster about how you're winning this war? Come on, don't save it all for your backroom BS. Here's your chance for bluster. Or do you admit that you're condemning your membership to ZI because you refuse to accept the terms you told us you wanted?

What OOC information? No one has presented me with anything that is OOC. If anyone would like to provide that to me and look to have help in trying to find whoever did what that was OOC then I'd gladly do my part. I don't believe in that crap and would do what was needed to help.

It's no need of yours to know what my allies are doing or not doing.

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