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I think DH made it pretty clear this is a new front of the original war that didn't open up as expected.

DH-NPO war is a front of one great conflict. Since people will inevitably draw comparisons to BiPolar, I say it's different because the first portion of the conflict wrapped up as the second one was starting.

It's 2 different wars without a shadow of a doubt, as an aside, it's 2 wars my alliance has no interest in.

I think DH made it pretty clear this is a new front of the original war that didn't open up as expected.

More or less. If we just wanted to roll NPO out of the blue, we could have done it a few months from now with Polar out of the way.

"making this a unique situation in CN history."

It's basically the same situation as WotC/noCB, really. Right down to the controversy over how many wars there are.

It's Doomhosers' war, so they oughta know, and they've been adamant that it's part of the PB-Npo War. Of course, their insistence to that effect is simply to seem less aggressive, but if that's the way they want it then far be it for NoR to deny them a good fight once you've finished wrapping a light pole around WF's head.

Just as WotC and noCB are the same war, so too are these wars the same.

As much as Doom House would love for it to be one big conflict, you can't declare war to "stop the NPO from regaining power" and still honestly believe this has anything to do with Polaris accepting screenshots. Then there is the fact that the "preemptive strike" failed to hit Polaris' direct treaty partners in Legion and TPF. If that isn't enough for you, FAN has made it abundantly clear this has nothing to do with the VE-Polaris conflict.

This of course will not change anyone's mind who is already made up, but by all means, lets argue this point in circles for the next several years. It is the CN way.

It's one war and I'm unhappy that the wiki states otherwise.

It's kind of clear that this poll is dominated by MK...

Anyway, I agree with Adrian LaCroix there.

Two different wars that will eventually merge into one. NPO/Legion are on the same side as NpO/Legion. DH is on the same side as PB. Once some combatants peace out, the others will start chaining and people will start jumping to assist their allies in the other war.

Or it could simply be two simultaneous wars with combatants on both sides tied with the other. Depends on how you want to look at it. It doesn't really matter, as long as you acknowledge that one war affects the other.

Yeah, I'm surprised to see you say you can't think of a similar situation, because it's very similar to BLEU war/noCB. The main difference being that there the no-CB part was started first and here it was started second. And yes, as Delta says, the comparison even stretches to this very argument.

I consider it, at the moment, as two wars, because the reasons for hitting NPO were not directly related to the existing war. But even that is a grey area. And it's very likely that alliances will end up fighting fronts in both of them as time goes on, which will make it more like one big war.

If I overlooked the BLEU/noCB War, it's because my attention was diverted from the big picture to a very small part of it, namely, getting a certain someone elected to the Red Senate. I was on my way out of CN at the time, so I didn't really focus on much else.

It's Doomhosers' war, so they oughta know, and they've been adamant that it's part of the PB-Npo War. Of course, their insistence to that effect is simply to seem less aggressive, but if that's the way they want it then far be it for NoR to deny them a good fight once you've finished wrapping a light pole around WF's head.

Except for one small problem: we have a friend in the war against the NPO. However, I'm reasonably sure (51%....leaving plenty of room for my being wrong) that we weren't invited to the party.

I forgot/neglected to mention that. Mea culpa.

I think its one big war.... in my head this whole thing is a PB/MK war with the mission of stomping out any serious power threats before they unite.

They saw that NpO and NPO were starting to get closer folling treaties like Legion and TIO recently. They then punched the numbers and saw that if that sector really did unite that it would be a power threat. They then milked / set up a CB against NpO... ran with it as quick as possible asuming legion would quickly throw NPO in the ring as well.

When it was obvious legion and NPO were being deliberetly held back the same agressive front at PB/MK decided to say stuff it and just move on the final portion of the original target.

The fact both fronts share essentially the same agressor Blok convinces me its one big war against multiple target AA's.

I'd have to say two wars, although closely connected to each other.

I consider it, at the moment, as two wars, because the reasons for hitting NPO were not directly related to the existing war. But even that is a grey area. And it's very likely that alliances will end up fighting fronts in both of them as time goes on, which will make it more like one big war.

MK and Umb are fighting CCC and STA respectively. Even if you consider it two, we're both involved in the NpO-VE war.

Also BiPolar all over again

This is pretty much a repeat of WotC actually.

The VE hit on NpO parallels the GGA-Valhalla hit on Hyperion, while the Doomhouse hit on NPO parallels the Citadel hit on NpO. The only difference is that the Hyperion attack did pull the NpO into the war, while the VE hit on NpO failed to pull in NPO due to weak treaties.

All the fronts have been planned by the same people as part of the same war, basically.

All the fronts have been planned by the same people as part of the same war, basically.

That's a very telling statement right there.

That's a very telling statement right there.

It's not really new information.

It's not really new information.

No, but given that it means "VE hit Polaris to pull NPO in so Doomhouse would have a treaty excuse to hit them" it's still rather telling.

Not really. VE had issues with Polar. There was plenty of antipathy there on its own.

Not really. VE had issues with Polar. There was plenty of antipathy there on its own.

Backtracking already I see?

What you said was all the fronts were pre-planned. The intent was for VE to hit Polar, then MK can preserve its myth of never launching an aggressive war by simply countering Pacifica. When NPO failed to materialize, then the no-CB attack was put into motion.