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I won't lie..I was in shock when I saw the announcement when I woke up today......I have spent most of the day attempting to find a way I could justify the course of action that my former alliance has taken. In the current political climate I can't.

I furiously verbally attacked TOP for the same action that MK has taken.

I worked for 2 years to help get MK off the NPO black list, to prevent things like this from happening.

It all saddens me, if there is ever an alliance where the idea that the members don't speak for alliance policy only the leader does that was MK. However it seems Archon has been taking talking points from the outspoken and sometimes juvenile members. When I was in gov, we used to chastize Londo for his hair brained schemes to attack NPO. In fact, if I am to believe certain rumors, it was one of the reasons that Athens and MK originally split because people thought attacking NPO was not worth it. If it was bad then, why is it good now?

With this disappointment I will not do as others have and immediately switch sides and make them my enemy like Tyga and others have. This fight really has no bearing on me other than it puts my allies =LOST= in a terrible position due to MK's declaration on CCC.

I also won't deny that it isn't plausible that STA and Polar were deploying their allies in such a way as to stop Pacifica from getting involved. See STA treaty with TPF and Polar's treaty with Legion. However, paranoia is not an excuse for war and I do not condone preemptive strikes.

For those claiming MK has turned into an entity as bad as the NPO was, let me say this. YOU ARE FOOLS. You do not remember the lengths they would go through to roll an alliance or keep an alliance down. GPA, GATO, Legion, FAN...etc.....

I still have respect for GOONS. I am hoping I can bring myself to respect MK again. The game is not dead and you are not the judge jury and executioner. There was already no hope of the NPO to regain the power it once had and you are fooling yourselves if you think that was true.

This was a relatively rambling post but you all get the idea.

I wish you a good fight and hope you know what the hell you are doing because I haven't a clue.

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I to am saddened by the recent course the Mushroom Kingdom and friends have taken.

I do hope when they have had their fun that NPO is let off with white peace and nothing worse.

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I to am saddened by the recent course the Mushroom Kingdom and friends have taken.

I do hope when they have had their fun that NPO is let off with white peace and nothing worse.

I would hope so too. Even though I do bring up NPO's past a lot....I do think they have paid for their "sins."

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Poor Airme refusing to see the truth blinded by MK loyalty. Hypocrite Your angel is an centerfold.

Wut? You missed the part where I said I can't justify this and I think its wrong?

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I do remember the lengths that they would go to to keep an alliance down actually, and I know of what Doomhouse has already said they'd do to the alliances they swore to never become. You're looking at everything through a very narrow window, seeing only what you want to see.

If you honestly believed that Pacifica and the Hegemony was wrong and that Cybernations shouldn't be run like that, then you shouldn't hold any respect to Doomhouse.

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I do remember the lengths that they would go to to keep an alliance down actually, and I know of what Doomhouse has already said they'd do to the alliances they swore to never become. You're looking at everything through a very narrow window, seeing only what you want to see.

If you honestly believed that Pacifica and the Hegemony was wrong and that Cybernations shouldn't be run like that, then you shouldn't hold any respect to Doomhouse.

Who said anything about Doomhouse? I realize that alliances exist outside of the blocs they occupy. Those are the entities I respect.

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It's a cycle: whoever is ambitious and aggressive enough to become the new "hegemonic alliance" will eventually start rolling other alliances that threaten its power. This has only happened twice, so it might just be a coincidence, but it would make sense.

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With this disappointment I will not do as others have and immediately switch sides and make them my enemy like Tyga and others have.

I'm afraid talk is cheap. Merely condemning them will only make you forget about it later. Statements now will not be able to be made by pen, they'll only be made by actions.

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It's a cycle: whoever is ambitious and aggressive enough to become the new "hegemonic alliance" will eventually start rolling other alliances that threaten its power. This has only happened twice, so it might just be a coincidence, but it would make sense.

I wouldn't say it's a threat to their power; moreso that any game becomes boring when you're already on top (and the only thing to improve to is winning even more).

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Wut? You missed the part where I said I can't justify this and I think its wrong?

"For those claiming MK has turned into an entity as bad as the NPO was, let me say this. YOU ARE FOOLS. You do not remember the lengths they would go through to roll an alliance or keep an alliance down. GPA, GATO, Legion, FAN...etc....."

This is E X A C T L Y what is happening now. They have said they will roll NPO eternally to make sure they never hold a position of powen on bob. Yet you dont want to see it because its against NPO which you attempt to use as a good reason and because its MK

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"For those claiming MK has turned into an entity as bad as the NPO was, let me say this. YOU ARE FOOLS. You do not remember the lengths they would go through to roll an alliance or keep an alliance down. GPA, GATO, Legion, FAN...etc....."

This is E X A C T L Y what is happening now. They have said they will roll NPO eternally to make sure they never hold a position of powen on bob

Can you point me to where it says they will be EZI'd? Or that their alliance will be disbanded? Or that players will be run out of the game on a regular basis? NO YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THESE THINGS HAVE NOT HAPPENED.

Back in my day, we wouldn't be able to go around talking like you do. We were placed on a list and run out of the game if we spoke up like you speak up now. And you know what? I may not agree with most of the things you say Alterego, but if anyone tries to run you out of the game for it I will speak up against it.

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Can you point me to where it says they will be EZI'd? Or that their alliance will be disbanded? Or that players will be run out of the game on a regular basis? NO YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THESE THINGS HAVE NOT HAPPENED.

Back in my day, we wouldn't be able to go around talking like you do. We were placed on a list and run out of the game if we spoke up like you speak up now. And you know what? I may not agree with most of the things you say Alterego, but if anyone tries to run you out of the game for it I will speak up against it.

And just as an aside.. what if they are trying to run the orders from the game?

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And just as an aside.. what if they are trying to run the orders from the game?

I don't have an answer for you. I will cross that bridge if it comes.

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Can you point me to where it says they will be EZI'd? Or that their alliance will be disbanded? Or that players will be run out of the game on a regular basis? NO YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THESE THINGS HAVE NOT HAPPENED.

Back in my day, we wouldn't be able to go around talking like you do. We were placed on a list and run out of the game if we spoke up like you speak up now. And you know what? I may not agree with most of the things you say Alterego, but if anyone tries to run you out of the game for it I will speak up against it.

MK has members saying it, but as you said, what MK members said is more resembling MK policy everyday. That said, I had a nice chat with Archon the other day. I still doubt he's willing to go as far as many of his members would like him to, but that said, how much longer do you think Archon will continue to be active?

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MK has members saying it, but as you said, what MK members said is more resembling MK policy everyday. That said, I had a nice chat with Archon the other day. I still doubt he's willing to go as far as many of his members would like him to, but that said, how much longer do you think Archon will continue to be active?

Archon's activity comes and goes in waves. So it will come and go. I have not talked to him recently but I do not believe he intends on quitting.

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People who say the game is dying need to get some common sense. There are stil tons of active players in this game. Who knows? Maybe this "New Hegemony" will create some excitement back into the game.

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Archon's activity comes and goes in waves. So it will come and go. I have not talked to him recently but I do not believe he intends on quitting.

True, he has said he'd be going in the past, but when Archon isn't around. Bah. All I know is MK is not the alliance it used to be. Could be the power, I'm not sure. I just know I'm not a huge fan these days.

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Can you point me to where it says they will be EZI'd? Or that their alliance will be disbanded? Or that players will be run out of the game on a regular basis? NO YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THESE THINGS HAVE NOT HAPPENED.

Back in my day, we wouldn't be able to go around talking like you do. We were placed on a list and run out of the game if we spoke up like you speak up now. And you know what? I may not agree with most of the things you say Alterego, but if anyone tries to run you out of the game for it I will speak up against it.

There are dozens of posts including ones from SF, C&G & DH all talking about perpetual war, disbanding them and the rest even people like stumpy have been in on the threats. As for the past, having to dig up the worst abuses of NPOs reign to try and prove this isnt the worst thing ever done should tell you what you are defending and how much MK have changed since you left. Id put money on you cheering me out the door if they came for me.

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The fact you can't "justify" our attack in the current "political climate" is the entire point it. I don't know how this happened, but TOP was actually PROGRESSIVE and ahead of it's time with their pre-empt of us. This games is choked with the guise that a war can only be started in a certain manner, that a war must unfold in a certain manner, etc. Over the years here, the more defensive you are the more ~HoNoRaBle~ you supposedly are. This has been taken to such extremes that there is a massive effort to mediate conflicts to put them out, or at least keep them from expanding. This goes hand-in-hand with the fact that, because of the narrowness of the game itself, every cb (because there are relatively few that can be generated) already has a page in the playbook. From their, it's a battle to be more defensive, and each time you have to feign a more defensive nature than the last. This is has gotten ridiculous. The game is narrow enough already, we need to break down the player imposed boundaries to open game-play back up.

If you want to consider us the bad guy for being aggressive and spicing things up, then do so, we have no qualms.

Ultimately, this war, singularly, won't make CN interesting again, because it's not about one war, or one period of peace. However, I do hope this war is at least the start of us attempting to reign in the expanding cycle between wars that we have seen grow from a few months, to 6 months, to where we are now where we might have one war a year. In my mind, about once every 6 months was the best balance was the best cycle for the game.

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I would hope so too. Even though I do bring up NPO's past a lot....I do think they have paid for their "sins."

Same here, AirMe.

I'm of the same line of thinking that they already payed for their 'sins'.

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There are dozens of posts including ones from SF, C&G & DH all talking about perpetual war, disbanding them and the rest even people like stumpy have been in on the threats. As for the past, having to dig up the worst abuses of NPOs reign to try and prove this isnt the worst thing ever done should tell you what you are defending and how much MK have changed since you left. Id put money on you cheering me out the door if they came for me.

I can't say I have ever cheered anyone out the door. I don't think I would even cheer Bilrow. Every person brings something to this game whether I like that or not.

You realize I stood up and helped defend the former members of GGA when they disbanded even though 3/4ths of the world was chomping at the bit to raid them. AND I DESPISED THE GGA. If you really think I would cheer you out the door you don't pay attention.

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