CyberNations Talkshow: The Blog

Great interview. I can't let your use of "begs the question" go without pointing out how wrongly you've misused the phrase, but otherwise well-done.

Magnificent.

Xiph's 'NpO good TOP bad' always confuses me

I wouldn't say that at all. We got over our bad blood with Polar after the war. Bad blood that extended years, all the way back to UJW. We wanted no one dismantled more then Polar, not even NPO, because Polar wanted our head on a plate, Xiph and VE can attest to many conversations had over that topic.

There's a great deal more to it, but I'm not sure what I can say to make you believe that.

[22:40] <Xiphosis[GOD]> People simply have to think long-term, not what is fun or tempting in the short term.

Also this is hilarious.

Xiph, your stubbornness has put SF in bad situations in the past. You're one of the worst for thinking long-term and you would throw almost everything away for one little fight or diplomatic spat. It's who you are. Whether it's your fierce loyalty or hot-headedness, it really is in your nature to forget about the 'big picture'.

Unless you were always intending to give in in the end, I guess. *shrug*

Funny, NPO 'lost' my application too.

Better for the both of us I guess.

I can't let your use of "begs the question" go without pointing out how wrongly you've misused the phrase wankwankwankwankwankwankwankwankwankwank

Thanks, I'll keep it in mind in the future.

[22:40] <Xiphosis[GOD]> People simply have to think long-term, not what is fun or tempting in the short term.

Also this is hilarious.

Xiph, your stubbornness has put SF in bad situations in the past. You're one of the worst for thinking long-term and you would throw almost everything away for one little fight or diplomatic spat. It's who you are. Whether it's your fierce loyalty or hot-headedness, it really is in your nature to forget about the 'big picture'.

Unless you were always intending to give in in the end, I guess. *shrug*

Fairly inaccurate statement Penkala. Every action we've ever taken has always been in full cognizance of the long term consequences, with the support of everyone else. But since you were never in high SF gov, I wouldn't expect you to know better.

I kind of wish I made this a thread.

I wouldn't say that at all. We got over our bad blood with Polar after the war. Bad blood that extended years, all the way back to UJW. We wanted no one dismantled more then Polar, not even NPO, because Polar wanted our head on a plate, Xiph and VE can attest to many conversations had over that topic.

There's a great deal more to it, but I'm not sure what I can say to make you believe that.

And that's basically what happened between TOP and us. They wanted to roll us, we wanted to roll them. We both did what we had to, game over, we're back to square one. During that fight, a lot of respect for the other side was gained. We started talking... And here we are. Why is it so difficult to grasp that MK could actually be right in this (as we were with ODN)?

Fairly inaccurate statement Penkala. Every action we've ever taken has always been in full cognizance of the long term consequences, with the support of everyone else. But since you were never in high SF gov, I wouldn't expect you to know better.

If you really think I don't 'know what's going on' after a couple of years in that bloc (and in CN in general) then you're insane. I don't pretend to know everything, because frankly, I'm not into politics that much. That's not the game I play. But it's not like I don't know anything ever.

My comments stand. Just because often times SF leaders agreed to support you doesn't mean that you were doing the right things or weren't being stupidly shortsighted.

Edit: And yes, you "realize" the long-term consequences of actions. Then proceed to ignore them in favor of short-term gain. I've never accused you of being incompetent or not knowing what was going on. Just of not 'practicing what you preach' re: shortsightedness.

I still love you guys and all. But it's really not debatable that you have (multiple times) put the outcome of things in jeopardy for a stupid, short-sighted reason. Please don't insult my intelligence, though.

And that's basically what happened between TOP and us. They wanted to roll us, we wanted to roll them. We both did what we had to, game over, we're back to square one. During that fight, a lot of respect for the other side was gained. We started talking... And here we are. Why is it so difficult to grasp that MK could actually be right in this (as we were with ODN)?

It's not. You guys are entitled to give whoever you want second, tenth, hundreth chances. TOP's just always going to be one of those that never gets redeemed with us. We can handle threats of disbandment, isolation, and a great many other things and get over it if we think the offending party has changed, but if we think you've stabbed us in the back, or pulled some really out and out BS, you don't ever get a pass from us.

I still love you guys and all. But it's really not debatable that you have (multiple times) put the outcome of things in jeopardy for a stupid, short-sighted reason. Please don't insult my intelligence, though.

You're right, or at least, it's a good observation and well called. The only thing I would say is that in situations where that seems to be the case, I always allow myself cool-down time. Sometimes we still do it; but it's never with a head full of steam, I always sleep on stuff because absolutely no one knows better than I do how irrationally angry I can get. I don't make the profound decisions in that state, and that's usually when I'll go spend some time elsewhere and play the scenarios out/cool down.

It's not. You guys are entitled to give whoever you want second, tenth, hundreth chances. TOP's just always going to be one of those that never gets redeemed with us. We can handle threats of disbandment, isolation, and a great many other things and get over it if we think the offending party has changed, but if we think you've stabbed us in the back, or pulled some really out and out BS, you don't ever get a pass from us.

And that's all fine and dandy. I'm not going to stop you from holding ridiculous grudges, God knows some members in MK do the same. I - personnally - tend to not hold grudges after I got my revenge.

For what it's worth, TOP apologized profusely over their mishaps (or backstabbing as you call it) and acknowledge their mistakes. What else do you want from them?

What else do you want from them?

I can accept getting past a feud [like Polar v. GOD for ages and ages] the difference when it comes to TOP is that they were on our side so saying 'sorry' and expecting trust is a pretty tall request.

Our side, your side, his side, my side, their side; I can't wait until the next war so we can actually figure out who stands where.