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Progress in the war against NEW


Haflinger

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That is NEW's alliance graph.

NEW has 69 nations out of 158 in peace mode. Roughly half the alliance is in anarchy, presumably largely due to nukes.

However it is clear they are not getting mauled.

Meanwhile, FEAR and UFF, the alliances who entered to defend them officially, are getting destroyed.

Much as I hate to admit it, at this point it seems clear that the deal PC and iFOK made was sufficient for their ally to win this war. The alliances of International, TPE and Fark do not have the necessary firepower and coordination to bring down NEW.

NEW's going to get the white peace they want. It will probably take a long time and there will be a lot of damage on both sides, but they'll achieve their mission objectives, and they don't care about damage anyway.

Meanwhile FEAR, WFF and Europa continue to be the punching bags of ODN and Sparta.

FEAR and WFF - Get out. Your ally doesn't need you. They're going to win. If your members want to fight for NEW, let them do the same thing as a lot of Poison Clan members are doing, and let them join NEW for the duration of the war.

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every NEW nation over 15k has totally filled slots. The 21 ghosts adding 1.8 million NS to NEW however can make it appear that we are doing a very poor job of our war. The ironic thing about this all is the ghosts just mean it will take much longer for NEW to hit the total NS we agreed they should lose before they paid enough for their crime and we called off the attacks, good times indeed.

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Thanks for the commentary Joe Madden, fyi we lost 30k NS net due to Choader joining NEW. We're not getting "mauled" or anything. Why don't you enjoy your holiday like the rest of Invicta?

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You do realise that all of that jump is caused by the nearly 2m NS of nations that have joined NEW since the war began, correct? Without those additions, they'd be at 16.07 score from 18.36, instead of their current 22.83.

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every NEW nation over 15k has totally filled slots. The 21 ghosts adding 1.8 million NS to NEW however can make it appear that we are doing a very poor job of our war. The ironic thing about this all is the ghosts just mean it will take much longer for NEW to hit the total NS we agreed they should lose before they paid enough for their crime and we called off the attacks, good times indeed.

So the bigger NEW grows the longer this war goes on? Considering neither side seems to care about losses that is extremely good news indeed.

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every NEW nation over 15k has totally filled slots. The 21 ghosts adding 1.8 million NS to NEW however can make it appear that we are doing a very poor job of our war. The ironic thing about this all is the ghosts just mean it will take much longer for NEW to hit the total NS we agreed they should lose before they paid enough for their crime and we called off the attacks, good times indeed.

I see no ghosts in NEW. I see honourary members of NEW.

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every NEW nation over 15k has totally filled slots. The 21 ghosts adding 1.8 million NS to NEW however can make it appear that we are doing a very poor job of our war. The ironic thing about this all is the ghosts just mean it will take much longer for NEW to hit the total NS we agreed they should lose before they paid enough for their crime and we called off the attacks, good times indeed.

They have 69 nations in peace mode. Only 16 of those nations are below 15K. Sorry, but no, you have not filled the slots of every NEW nation above 15K. Not even close.

Work on your blitzes.

Also, you seem to think here that extending the war is a punishment for NEW. I would suggest that the reverse is true.

You do realise that all of that jump is caused by the nearly 2m NS of nations that have joined NEW since the war began, correct? Without those additions, they'd be at 16.07 score from 18.36, instead of their current 22.83.

Yes, I realize that this is the case.

The essential point that you seem to be missing is the direction of the graph. It is continuing to increase. If FEAR and WFF peace out but give leave to their nations to join NEW, it will increase higher.

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I'm hoping this marks the start of a new tactic. There are plenty of wars that could be won by not activating treaties but joining the alliance under attack en masse.

It is only because PC and iFOK are preventing the attacking coalition from bringing in more alliances that this tactic can work. If ODN and Sparta attacked NEW instead of the micros defending NEW, NEW would fall over pretty fast.

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every NEW nation over 15k has totally filled slots. The 21 ghosts adding 1.8 million NS to NEW however can make it appear that we are doing a very poor job of our war. The ironic thing about this all is the ghosts just mean it will take much longer for NEW to hit the total NS we agreed they should lose before they paid enough for their crime and we called off the attacks, good times indeed.

This war will be costly for everyone involved(some more that others). The difference is that NEW doesn't care, can the same be said for the others involed? Also, lets see how effect your are at filling slots once this war goes a few rounds.

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It looks to me like an artificial bubble. I doubt that all these bandwagonners are going to take Bahasa Indonesia lessons and learn the language. That bubble will burst when the war is over.

What you're observing is nothing more than a flaw in the CN metrics system.

-Craig

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Perhaps a few million NS worth of nations should "join" International, TPE, and Fark. Level the playing field so to speak. NEW certainly couldn't complain about that.

Nations join these AAs because Int, TPE, and Fark can't do the job?

Yeah, having nations join these alliances wouldn't be embarrassing at all.

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Perhaps a few million NS worth of nations should "join" International, TPE, and Fark. Level the playing field so to speak. NEW certainly couldn't complain about that.

How would that at all level the playing field. They're already at a 4:1 advantage.

Such a move would look extremely desperate.

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They have 69 nations in peace mode. Only 16 of those nations are below 15K. Sorry, but no, you have not filled the slots of every NEW nation above 15K. Not even close.

Work on your blitzes.

67 were in peace mode before we even declared war, so i can live with 2 slippages.

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Perhaps a few million NS worth of nations should "join" International, TPE, and Fark. Level the playing field so to speak. NEW certainly couldn't complain about that.

This would probably have been a better use of ODN and Sparta's nations than declaring on micros.

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Perhaps a few million NS worth of nations should "join" International, TPE, and Fark. Level the playing field so to speak. NEW certainly couldn't complain about that.

C'mon man, I know we're pretty good fighters but it is NEW who would need at least another 10mil NS to "level the playing field". We're fighting Fark, one of the most well respected high NS military alliances around, not UPN.

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C'mon man, I know we're pretty good fighters but it is NEW who would need at least another 10mil NS to "level the playing field". We're fighting Fark, one of the most well respected high NS military alliances around, not UPN.

Fark has 14 nations at 100K NS or higher. NEW currently has nine. Yes, the advantage is on Fark's side, but you certainly wouldn't need 10M NS more to level the playing field.

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Looks like Fark do need help after all. :lol1:

http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=224996

http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=207194

Fark has 14 nations at 100K NS or higher. NEW currently has nine. Yes, the advantage is on Fark's side, but you certainly wouldn't need 10M NS more to level the playing field.

They might not anymore but Fark had 23 nations above 100k when this war began. They currently have 35 nations above 90k, we have 12.

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