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The mercy board and the EoG list: Myth vs Reality

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Sardonic

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One of the largest misconceptions about GOONS is the function and nature of the mercy board. I would like to take the time to dispel any myths and misconceptions about the mercy board. I have created two flowcharts to help illustrate my points.

Consider this chart as you read on:

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Myth: All tech raided nations must go through the mercy board to secure peace.

Reality: The mercy board is one of many options a raid target has, it is a path rarely taken. There are two options for those in AAs, they can complete terms for themselves, or harder terms for their entire AA. This will put the entire AA on the no-raid list.

Myth: The mercy board is designed to embarrass people

Reality: The mercy board is designed so that nations have an alternative to paying money to secure their peace. It is for the benefit of our enemies that we have the mercy board, or else we wouldn't have any way to solve our differences besides monetary means.

Myth: The mercy board is the worst thing ever

Reality: The mercy board can be fun for everyone involved, if you try not to take things so seriously. It just requires a little humility and work on your part.

I would also like to dispel a misconception about the EoG list, please consider the following:

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Myth: The EoG list is a PZI list.

Reality: The EoG list is not a PZI list. First of all, if you delete, we have no intention of following you, unless you do something to put yourself on the list again. Secondly, we don't care if you're at zero infrastructure or not, somebody might be at it, somebody else might not. ZI is completely independent of the function of the list, if somebody plays their cards right, they can get off the list before hitting ZI, using the aforementioned path. Thirdly, we don't order people to attack the individuals on the list, they can attack them at any time at their own leisure.

I hope this has been informative, please post any further questions you might have in the comments and I will address them.

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Do you care to explain to me why tech raid victims should have to do anything more than "PM for peace." And please don't give me the rubbsih about having to "prove they care about their nations and getting peace." They weren't the ones who declared the war in the first place.

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Do you care to explain to me why tech raid victims should have to do anything more than "PM for peace." And please don't give me the rubbsih about having to "prove they care about their nations and getting peace." They weren't the ones who declared the war in the first place.

What's the point of securing peace in a single raid if they're still a valid target? They will just get raided again, permanent peace is far more desirable.

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Myth: The mercy board is designed to embarrass people

Reality: The mercy board is designed so that nations have an alternative to paying money to secure their peace. It is for the benefit of our enemies that we have the mercy board, or else we wouldn't have any way to solve our differences besides monetary means.

So I'm assuming the reality is "the mercy board is designed to embarrass people", then.

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What's the point of securing peace in a single raid if they're still a valid target? They will just get raided again, permanent peace is far more desirable.

And what if these nations end up getting raided again in spite of the agreement?

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And what if these nations end up getting raided again in spite of the agreement?

If they get raided (by us) while they are on our no-raid list, they are entitled to reparations.

So I'm assuming the reality is "the mercy board is designed to embarrass people", then.

I'm going to ignore that.

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I'm going to ignore that.

Address the myth then - don't just go off-topic and talk about something else entirely. Is the mercy board is designed to embarass people? Yes or no, Sardonic? That's all I'm wondering, because your current "reality" is just evading the question.

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Ah, a typical smart alec blurb from our neighborhood goons, imparting no new information worth speaking of and serving only to stir up attention in their flippant mewling manner. I'd entertain the possibility that this is an awkward pr move encouraged by your new bloc-mates so that you don't weigh them all down as much with your reputation, but I truly don't think you're a good enough alliance even for that token effort. So bravo on harping on about your reprehensible little bullying program which we were all so familiar with already I suppose. Always nice to read about the exact manner in which you're forcing players out of this already shrinking game.

Sorry in advance for the fallout remainder of PB. But then, you did know what you were getting yourself into, so I'm not TOO sorry

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Ah, a typical smart alec blurb from our neighborhood goons, imparting no new information worth speaking of and serving only to stir up attention in their flippant mewling manner. I'd entertain the possibility that this is an awkward pr move encouraged by your new bloc-mates so that you don't weigh them all down as much with your reputation, but I truly don't think you're a good enough alliance even for that token effort. So bravo on harping on about your reprehensible little bullying program which we were all so familiar with already I suppose. Always nice to read about the exact manner in which you're forcing players out of this already shrinking game.

Sorry in advance for the fallout remainder of PB. But then, you did know what you were getting yourself into, so I'm not TOO sorry

With responses like this, honestly, Sardonic, why do you bother trying to reason with people?

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How do tech raid victims benefit from having to go through a silly process in which they are forced to please their aggressors to not be raided? Indeed, I would think that most tech raid victims wouldn't be too crazy to appease GOONS after being attacked for no reason.

At the end of the day, the mercy board is your way of forcing those who cannot fight you to provide you with entertainment. It is indeed embarrassing and humiliating for any nation ruler to have to entertain you in order to obtain peace for a war declared by you for the purposes of stealing others' fruits of labor.

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Reality: The mercy board can be fun for everyone involved, if you try not to take things so seriously. It just requires a little humility and work on your part.

Sounds like hazing to me

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How do tech raid victims benefit from having to go through a silly process in which they are forced to please their aggressors to not be raided? Indeed, I would think that most tech raid victims wouldn't be too crazy to appease GOONS after being attacked for no reason.

At the end of the day, the mercy board is your way of forcing those who cannot fight you to provide you with entertainment. It is indeed embarrassing and humiliating for any nation ruler to have to entertain you in order to obtain peace for a war declared by you for the purposes of stealing others' fruits of labor.

They benefit by having fun? There are numerous instances of raid targets going through the mercy process and having so much fun with it they join us after it's over.

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So I'm assuming the reality is "the mercy board is designed to embarrass people", then.

If you consider drawing a robot fish or writing a letter telling a stand-up comedian he's not funny, I guess.

I'm also shocked that you've managed to live in this harsh, unforgiving world of embarrassment and humiliation if that's the case.

We also make our own members do mercy terms when they screw up. I'd elaborate more but I fear this post alone is embarrassing you.

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:words:

You don't find this funny?

http://cngoons.com/Board/index.php?topic=3574.0

In the woods

wandering around, looking to fish

I soon found something amiss

At the best spot on the riverbank

there stood a man, a man called Hank

Luring the fish with his gigantic rod

next to him, a basket with cod

Shirtless Hank was half man, half bear

Not just the head but the whole body was hair

Looking at Hank, I suddenly felt strange

My normal emotions expanding into a whole new range

Walking towards him, I felt abnormally secure

This was my man, this was my fur

Hank was still watching intensely his rod

I had no problems taking his cod

Then, with one quick movement I rammed the full basket over his head

Before Hank knew what hit him, I cod-smothered him dead

After this bad crime, only one thing was left

Following murder, my next crime was theft

I took a knife, and skinned Hank bare

Hank's fur would sell at the market, the same price as bear

Or this?

http://cngoons.com/Board/index.php?topic=2866.msg27185#msg27185

Square or Triangle? It is a question that has plagued our planet for centuries. However, there is a simple answer to this question of superiority: that the triangle clearly dominates.

Simply look at any stable truss bridge. Are the beams configured in the shapes of squares? No. The bridge would be weak if they were. They are configured, in fact, in the shape of a triangle, the perfect shape. What would modern architecture be today without? What even would ancient architecture by like. Look at I.M. Pei’s entrance to Louvre, all triangles. The Great Pyramids of Egypt: triangles. Clearly put, the world as we know it would fall apart if the triangle were taken out of it.

Another argument that even further solidifies the superiority of the triangle is the fact that it can take many different shapes. Equilateral. Isosceles. Scalene. All different, yet all triangles. Right, Obtuse, Acute. Again, all different, but all triangles. Squares may only take one form, completely equal. Such a geometric shape with such importance to our world yet with such flexibility and diversity in size, shape, and angles would clearly be vastly superior.

Overall, while a square may be pleasing to look it, it is neither as useful nor as diverse as the triangle, and therefore, the triangle is clearly superior.

I mean honestly, read the terms we give people. The Terms may OR may not be avenues for a certain kind of energy that the pubbie might have.

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As some one who has done a lot of work in recruiting/admissions, I have found that GOONS have done well in peacing out with nations once they join the applicant AA.

As far as the mercy board, from the witnesses I have seen GOONS has a much very different perspective of this than their tech raid victims. Some may enjoy it, but I doubt many do.

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If you consider drawing a robot fish or writing a letter telling a stand-up comedian he's not funny, I guess.

I'm also shocked that you've managed to live in this harsh, unforgiving world of embarrassment and humiliation if that's the case.

We also make our own members do mercy terms when they screw up. I'd elaborate more but I fear this post alone is embarrassing you.

On the contrary Beefspari, what am I looking for is a clear yes or no answer with some substance to it. I'm more than happy to hear your elaboration, because Sardonic's initial entry doesn't seem to be anything but political spin. Your mercy board has a poor reputation, and saying "trust us, it's a really really good thing" in its defense isn't going to convince anyone without some more information regarding what it's actually all about.

EDIT: And thank you to Hidraca for providing some. :)

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So basically.

1. Nation gets raided. Peaces.

2. Nation is still a valid raid target.

3. Nation gets raided again.

4. Peaces.

5. Repeat.

I mean, it's so...meh. Many nations don't care to go through the process of going through mercy boards or communications. I didn't use IRC for like a year, and I wouldn't have registered on other forums for peace. You can say it's their fault, and that is a valid argument, but still. Why not just have a bit of dignity and just not raid them again? I mean, if it's just a raid that is.

Like, do you have a list of nations that go through the mercy board, that are on none, that are on a do-not raid list? Because that would be the only way you could claim that a nation is permanently protected. Most people in any AA (GOONS or otherwise) that allow raiding won't even go look at a list, they'll just see "NONE" and raid ASAP.

Also I really don't get the difference between EoG and PZI. Even Brookbank was let off PZI. PZI is PZI insofar as it is maintained. Back when the first surrender terms for Vox were released, you could get out of PZI by registering on a certain set of forums. It wasn't PZI in that sense, but if you didn't comply it was. Same deal. PZI and EoG are the exact same thing. The only possible exception that is some PZIs had no possible appeal while (according to you) all EoGs do. Even then, I can't think of a single example where a person was on PZI and didn't eventually get out of it.

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If you like what Hidraca has posted, you're free to register on our boards and see what the mercy board is like for yourself. We keep all our negotiations in public. Even the ones where we weren't able to reach a successful resolution are still up. You don't have to "trust us"; you're welcome to come see for yourselves.

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Like, do you have a list of nations that go through the mercy board, that are on none, that are on a do-not raid list? Because that would be the only way you could claim that a nation is permanently protected. Most people in any AA (GOONS or otherwise) that allow raiding won't even go look at a list, they'll just see "NONE" and raid ASAP.

Actually, we have a list exactly like that, and if a GOON were to raid one of those people, they have to give reps to the nation and probably go through mercy as well.

Also I really don't get the difference between EoG and PZI. Even Brookbank was let of PZI. PZI is PZI insofar as it is maintained. Back when the first surrender terms for Vox were released, you could get out of PZI by registering on a certain set of forums. It wasn't PZI in that sense, but if you didn't comply it was. Same deal. PZI and EoG are the exact same thing. The only possible exception that is some PZIs had no possible appeal while (according to you) all EoGs do. Even then, I can't think of a single example where a person was on PZI and didn't eventually get out of it.

He explained the difference.

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Reality: The mercy board is designed so that nations have an alternative to paying money to secure their peace. It is for the benefit of our enemies that we have the mercy board, or else we wouldn't have any way to solve our differences besides monetary means.

I'm so glad GOONS gives raid targets an alternative to paying extortion fees to GOONS.

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Actually, we have a list exactly like that, and if a GOON were to raid one of those people, they have to give reps to the nation and probably go through mercy as well.

So nations that do not appeal to the mercy board are always going to get raided then? At least until they appeal to the mercy board/join an alliance/whatever.

He explained the difference.

That's just it. There is no real difference in his explanation.

1. Not all PZI was across rerolls. Eventually there became the distinction between PZI and EZI. One just ZI'ed the nation over and over, one went across rerolls. PZI and EoG in that sense, have little difference.

2. The "ZI" in ZI doesn't really mean Zero Infrastructure (in this context). It means "We kill you until we feel like it or until you pay up." It's possible, easily so, for a nation to get off a PZI list without ever actually getting ZI'ed. Chickenzilla did it. Certainly some people actually do want to finish the ZI, but that's about the only difference.

3. The same principle of just letting people hit ZI targets without actually ordering people to hit was always there. I was never actually hit myself until I was hitting NPO. Besides, whether you actively order it or not really makes little difference, you are allowing your nations to keep at war another nation for an extended time.

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They benefit by having fun? There are numerous instances of raid targets going through the mercy process and having so much fun with it they join us after it's over.

And there are far more instances of raid targets going inactive and getting deleted. Of course, you're bound to get a couple of nations that will find the process entertaining and amusing. However, the overwhelming majority of raid victims do not.

You don't find this funny?

http://cngoons.com/B...hp?topic=3574.0

Or this?

http://cngoons.com/B...g27185#msg27185

I mean honestly, read the terms we give people. The Terms may OR may not be avenues for a certain kind of energy that the pubbie might have.

Read my reply above.

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Most people don't bother to go through that. They just delete. 20,958 Nations - also thanks to GOONS

You're right. We drive every last player from the game because no other alliance raids.

Wait.....

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