The Goon Experience

All the goontears over getting nuked by their raid targets are pretty delicious. Mandolus: "Bawwww! I took 5 nukes off him!"

As usual Schat delivers with his usual "Lemme just ignore everything that was said and claim victory by the most obscure avenue possible."

As usual Schat delivers with his usual "Lemme just ignore everything that was said and claim victory by the most obscure avenue possible."

It doesn't really matter anymore what schatt says to be honest.

He likes to pretend to be a paragon of moralilty but at the same time he is advocating destroying alliances and manufacturing casus bellis with his friends. Sorry Schatt, but you are pretty ridiculous now, especially since your best attempt at a casus belli was "protecting poor nuclear rogues from the shame of having to pay 15 million to get peace"

From now on people will remember you for your "pick target first, then create a CB" manners.

Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.

Wow I feel sorry for GOONS in those talks seriously, the sheer amount of dumbness shown by UPN in those talks would have made me want to DoW on them immediately, I mean harboring rogues and being dumb is valid CB or should be at least

I agree, I can't see why Peggy isn't in nuclear anarchy right now, or why they bothered trying to talk sense to NakedTime for so long. Once they started !@#$%^&*ting, I would have left and waited for the 45m

I was under the understanding the situation was entirely different. Boy, was I lied to. Next time I say I'd be happy to be on that side of the war, I'll ask for the proof of the bloody CB.

For those wondering: I was told GOONS had approved a raid on a normal UPN member just to see what would happen. Wasn't told that the "member" was actually an applicant who was only a couple days before a nuclear rogue, or anything else.

I'll fight any time against a serious atrocity, but please don't try to make an atrocity out of nothing. Most likely you'll put off more than just the fence sitters. You'll put off people that would probably be on your side too.

Thanks for clearing this up, GOONS. Poor show WCE.

I agree, I can't see why Peggy isn't in nuclear anarchy right now, or why they bothered trying to talk sense to NakedTime for so long. Once they started !@#$%^&*ting, I would have left and waited for the 45m

My opinion of GOONs actually went up because of this stupid mess. If I knew and had proof someone was sitting in back channels trying to drum up a CB that didn't exist I'd pull a TOP and preempt them. This from a guy who pretty much just likes to be left alone to stare at his nation once a week. That GOONs of all folks took a more peaceful approach is just surprising.

lol. I wonder how long until ODN cancels.

I was under the understanding the situation was entirely different. Boy, was I lied to. Next time I say I'd be happy to be on that side of the war, I'll ask for the proof of the bloody CB.

For those wondering: I was told GOONS had approved a raid on a normal UPN member just to see what would happen. Wasn't told that the "member" was actually an applicant who was only a couple days before a nuclear rogue, or anything else.

I'll fight any time against a serious atrocity, but please don't try to make an atrocity out of nothing. Most likely you'll put off more than just the fence sitters. You'll put off people that would probably be on your side too.

Thanks for clearing this up, GOONS. Poor show WCE.

You mean WCE lied about a CB to try to get alliances to hit GOONS? Truly the world would be a better place under this truly moralist group.

Easiest solution to this would have been simple

GOONS stops being silly and pressing for money that they A. Don't need and B. have no right to.

It doesn't really matter anymore what schatt says to be honest.

He likes to pretend to be a paragon of moralilty but at the same time he is advocating destroying alliances and manufacturing casus bellis with his friends. Sorry Schatt, but you are pretty ridiculous now, especially since your best attempt at a casus belli was "protecting poor nuclear rogues from the shame of having to pay 15 million to get peace"

From now on people will remember you for your "pick target first, then create a CB" manners.

Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.

This comment coming from VE, who wrote the ZI Peace Pact then continued to ZI people and I have never claimed any morality or moral highground. I have for years mocked the ideas of "honor" in CN. I have beliefs within which I act, but I am further from moralism as anyone can be.

This coming from VE who harbors EphriamGrey, who manufactured IRC logs, screenshots, and CBs for a year with VE's lockstep drooling support. Listen, Leprecon[sic], if you want to talk to me you're going to have to change AAs because if that was a mocking I'm an Polar Imperial Officer.

I was under the understanding the situation was entirely different. Boy, was I lied to. Next time I say I'd be happy to be on that side of the war, I'll ask for the proof of the bloody CB.

For those wondering: I was told GOONS had approved a raid on a normal UPN member just to see what would happen. Wasn't told that the "member" was actually an applicant who was only a couple days before a nuclear rogue, or anything else.

I'll fight any time against a serious atrocity, but please don't try to make an atrocity out of nothing. Most likely you'll put off more than just the fence sitters. You'll put off people that would probably be on your side too.

Thanks for clearing this up, GOONS. Poor show WCE.

TFD had no representation in #stratego and anything you received was second-hand. There is no coalition--or am I at war without knowing it?--so you receivd no coalition information. If you got some half-assed information from somebody in the channel, then get your head out of your butt and take it up with them. Better yet, ask them what the hell they were doing talking to you to begin with.

It is the regard for decorum of the alliances in #stratego that prevented GOONS from being a smouldering wreck at this time. If we had any intention of going to war without a good in, the war would be on, and GOONS's piss-poor members that can't handle more war than you get in one techraid at a time would be deleting by the dozens just as they did the last time SomethingAwful.com faced a real enemy. Anyone that believes they've been given the full logs through these blogs is an idiot, GearHead, or that there was one channel, or that the full logs are even on !@#$%* is stupid. So, my friend, if you're concerned about getting half a story you'd better rely on more than Sardonic's sardonic commentary. If "stupid" wasn't my pet peeve, the irony of you decrying "WCE" for giving you bad information while relying on Sardonic's variety show as good information would have me cracking up. Grow a brain, and start thinking for yourself.

Sardonic, good work. I think you know that I more than anyone can appreciate a good swiftboating, and you have outdone yourself. I hope that whichever governments decided it was a good idea to post logs on their forums against all reason and directives in the channel now understand their error. Don't get too confident or bold in your own claims, though, my friend, lest you actually try to take on half the world in your hubris; as much as you feel you know who we are, we now know who we are as well.

This comment coming from VE, who wrote the ZI Peace Pact then continued to ZI people and I have never claimed any morality or moral highground. I have for years mocked the ideas of "honor" in CN. I have beliefs within which I act, but I am further from moralism as anyone can be.

This coming from VE who harbors EphriamGrey, who manufactured IRC logs, screenshots, and CBs for a year with VE's lockstep drooling support. Listen, Leprecon[sic], if you want to talk to me you're going to have to change AAs because if that was a mocking I'm an Polar Imperial Officer.

TFD had no representation in #stratego and anything you received was second-hand. There is no coalition--or am I at war without knowing it?--so you receivd no coalition information. If you got some half-assed information from somebody in the channel, then get your head out of your butt and take it up with them. Better yet, ask them what the hell they were doing talking to you to begin with.

It is the regard for decorum of the alliances in #stratego that prevented GOONS from being a smouldering wreck at this time. If we had any intention of going to war without a good in, the war would be on, and GOONS's piss-poor members that can't handle more war than you get in one techraid at a time would be deleting by the dozens just as they did the last time SomethingAwful.com faced a real enemy. Anyone that believes they've been given the full logs through these blogs is an idiot, GearHead, or that there was one channel, or that the full logs are even on !@#$%* is stupid. So, my friend, if you're concerned about getting half a story you'd better rely on more than Sardonic's sardonic commentary. If "stupid" wasn't my pet peeve, the irony of you decrying "WCE" for giving you bad information while relying on Sardonic's variety show as good information would have me cracking up. Grow a brain, and start thinking for yourself.

Sardonic, good work. I think you know that I more than anyone can appreciate a good swiftboating, and you have outdone yourself. I hope that whichever governments decided it was a good idea to post logs on their forums against all reason and directives in the channel now understand their error. Don't get too confident or bold in your own claims, though, my friend, lest you actually try to take on half the world in your hubris; as much as you feel you know who we are, we now know who we are as well.

he mad

Easiest solution to this would have been simple

GOONS stops being silly and pressing for money that they A. Don't need and B. have no right to.

Yeah you're right, no one has ever asked for money when they were attacked for no reason.

"Hopefully an incident will occur where I will be able to share more logs of this type in the future. Who knows? I might be able to post more sometime in the near future, nearer if you leak logs to me."

- Sardonic

Everyone please do this. In fact, other people should start sharing IRC discussions in their blogs as well. I'm not a fan of IRC communication and this is the fastest way I can think of for alliances NOT to use it in any significant way anymore. Certainly NOT for scheming, in any case.

he mad

People love to read my mind but I think you're a smart guy and can take me at my word, Voytek. If I am mad, it's not at the situation. This is how things go. What makes me mad are people like Leprecon who thinks he's so damn clever with some moralist jab. Is e serious? Anyone that is NOT from VE can make that jab--you understand. Or people like GearHead who thinks that one half-story (that he apparently got from someone) is less true than this half-story. But then that's the OWF game--winning over halfwits with half truths. Not mad, just frustrated with the easily-manipulated.

Yeah you're right, no one has ever asked for money when they were attacked for no reason.

What about "getting techraided" says "no reason" to you? If I raid you tomorrow because I've lost my mind, then GOONS has a reason to attack me. You raided UOKMB, they fought back.

It is the regard for decorum of the alliances in #stratego that prevented GOONS from being a smouldering wreck at this time.

Ahahaha, keep digging.

tl;dr please.

All the goontears over getting nuked by their raid targets are pretty delicious. Mandolus: "Bawwww! I took 5 nukes off him!"

Yes I really truly care and wasn't just using that fact for diplomatic purposes. That's why immediately afterward I declared on Methrage and ate another two nukes, right?

tl;dr please.

This is the tl;dr, the full thing is mindbogglingly huge.

This comment coming from VE, who wrote the ZI Peace Pact then continued to ZI people and I have never claimed any morality or moral highground. I have for years mocked the ideas of "honor" in CN. I have beliefs within which I act, but I am further from moralism as anyone can be.

This coming from VE who harbors EphriamGrey, who manufactured IRC logs, screenshots, and CBs for a year with VE's lockstep drooling support. Listen, Leprecon[sic], if you want to talk to me you're going to have to change AAs because if that was a mocking I'm an Polar Imperial Officer.

tl;dr I have no comeback but to say that your alliance was friends with someone who, two years ago, did the same kind of things I'm doing now.

Noting the recent controversies regarding the prosecution of Cyberverse citizens' date='

Believing that the ability to restrict access to the Cyberverse entirely should be a power left only to God (read: Admin, blessed be his name) and his choir of angels (read: Mod Squad),

Asserting that the practice of prosecution beyond the act of deletion detracts from the global community,

The undersigned alliances, henceforth referred to as "the undersigned", do hereby pledge to this treaty:

I. The undersigned agree to cease altogether the practice of Eternal ZI, defined as the act of maintaining a ZI sentence beyond the act of deletion.

II. The undersigned agree to limit all ZI sentences to a single nation, extending it to no subsequent nations or alter-egos that may arise after the act of deletion and be connected to the original.

III. The undersigned agree that actions carried forth by a person of the Cyberverse may be considered when judicating a crime committed after deletion and reformation. Alliances reserve the right to keep a close eye and a short leash on previously criminal individuals. [/quote']

ZIPP was to eradicate EZI. Note how you don't hear a lot about EZI anymore, because people don't do it. VE doesn't EZI, hell we don't even PZI people. Usually when we 'ZI' people we usually release them before they even hit the bottom (like the most recent rogue we have had, Partisan, who I just had a nice talk with earlier today when releasing him). Sometimes we aid them to help them get out of bill lock (Methrage) and they even compliment us for how we handled administering their ZI (we also didn't take him to the bottom even though our low level nukers were ready to).

So, tell us again, how we don't follow our own policy of ZIPP? We administer justice to those who attack us, just like we administered justice to those who attacked NPO during terms, just like we administer justice to anyone who would attack our allies. You hit VE or a protectorate, you get a ZI, then you go free. Moral of the story? Don't hit VE if you cherish your nation.

UPN, bend over.

I was hoping to see someone try to make a reasonable argument against GOONS here in the comments but I guess most of the readers of this blog are friends of GOONS.

I hope all your nations burn in a fire. That said, I can't find a single thing to make an argument out of here. Solidly handled.

Ok, at risk of showing my hand, I'm going to lay out the ultimate strategy for rolling GOONS.

1. Wait to get raided. If they are so terribly out of control as oft described, it shouldn't take long.

2. Once it happens, post on OWF: "One more raid on our AA, accident or otherwise, and we will DoW on you." To give it even more "umph" refuse to accept reps and just leave it at a warning.

3. Wait for raid.

4. Declare war. Bring in your allies. Have global catastrophe.

There. It's that simple. Even if you lose, you would have probably gained more prestige, and thus future bargaining power, in one grand fight then all the sitting around like a bunch of harpies trying to scheme your way into the winning side of a war would ever do.

Great stars and garters, some people need to grow a spine.

I hope all your nations burn in a fire. That said, I can't find a single thing to make an argument out of here. Solidly handled.

Ok, at risk of showing my hand, I'm going to lay out the ultimate strategy for rolling GOONS.

1. Wait to get raided. If they are so terribly out of control as oft described, it shouldn't take long.

2. Once it happens, post on OWF: "One more raid on our AA, accident or otherwise, and we will DoW on you." To give it even more "umph" refuse to accept reps and just leave it at a warning.

3. Wait for raid.

4. Declare war. Bring in your allies. Have global catastrophe.

There. It's that simple. Even if you lose, you would have probably gained more prestige, and thus future bargaining power, in one grand fight then all the sitting around like a bunch of harpies trying to scheme your way into the winning side of a war would ever do.

Great stars and garters, some people need to grow a spine.

That's essentially the plan some people in the logs laid out. Also, it is a horrible plan. The fact people think creating a CB that will put them on the right side of a GOONS curbstomp is as easy as 1...2...3 really need to never be the leader of anything.

TFD had no representation in #stratego and anything you received was second-hand.

Thank goodness, I'm so glad not to have been affiliated with you goons (pun unintended). What an embarrassment.

There is no coalition--or am I at war without knowing it?--so you receivd no coalition information.

Oh-ha. You're right, it was hardly a coalition - it wasn't worthy of being called one. But if I read it wrong and war wasn't where the intended destination was, then please describe to me what exactly you were intending to make out of that situation there.

If you got some half-assed information from somebody in the channel, then get your head out of your butt and take it up with them. Better yet, ask them what the hell they were doing talking to you to begin with.

Hm, you might be right, but perhaps you should seal up your own holes before thinking about typing up that last sentence there.

It is the regard for decorum of the alliances in #stratego that prevented GOONS from being a smouldering wreck at this time. If we had any intention of going to war without a good in, the war would be on, and GOONS's piss-poor members that can't handle more war than you get in one techraid at a time would be deleting by the dozens just as they did the last time SomethingAwful.com faced a real enemy. Anyone that believes they've been given the full logs through these blogs is an idiot, GearHead, or that there was one channel, or that the full logs are even on !@#$%* is stupid. So, my friend, if you're concerned about getting half a story you'd better rely on more than Sardonic's sardonic commentary. If "stupid" wasn't my pet peeve, the irony of you decrying "WCE" for giving you bad information while relying on Sardonic's variety show as good information would have me cracking up. Grow a brain, and start thinking for yourself.

Okay Schattenmadd...I mean...whatever, I think it's probably time for a timeout. Don't let this hate consume you; we'll need your energy for the next time we're planning on rolling GOONS.

I never said I was given full logs, or any for that matter. But seriously, this was all I needed to see to know that I was lied to, maybe in the interests of getting our support, or...I dunno why else I would be lied to. Any little bit counts, right? Seems like a stupid idea now, but it sure doesn't surpass some of the stupid ideas I saw you guys blabbering about.

I've always respected you, Schatt, and I think I still do, but next time you guys get a channel with 10 different alliances together, at least have a reason for them all to be there.

Sardonic, good work. I think you know that I more than anyone can appreciate a good swiftboating, and you have outdone yourself. I hope that whichever governments decided it was a good idea to post logs on their forums against all reason and directives in the channel now understand their error. Don't get too confident or bold in your own claims, though, my friend, lest you actually try to take on half the world in your hubris; as much as you feel you know who we are, we now know who we are as well.

He's good at that, isn't he? And judging by the pure geniusness of a few people in that channel, I think trusting them not to ruin the "secrecy" of the discussions was a brilliant idea.

All this aside, what I'm actually upset about is how poorly this was done. I'm not GOONS' biggest fan either. Do they need a bloody nose? Certainly. Thanks to you, however, the chances of that happening anytime soon are diminished. Go make a fool of yourself somewhere else, but please don't make GOONS look good.

That's essentially the plan some people in the logs laid out. Also, it is a horrible plan. The fact people think creating a CB that will put them on the right side of a GOONS curbstomp is as easy as 1...2...3 really need to never be the leader of anything.

The plan is solid because it doesn't actually involve anything other than tending to your usual daily affairs without sticking your nose into other's business (like more alliances should be doing, imo) and then busting someones ass if/when they step on your toes.

If one did issue an ultimatum about sloppy raiding practices, and had the size and allies to back it up, then I'm sure extra effort would by made on the part of raiders to avoid raiding that alliance affiliation. I mean, how many charters used to have "No raiding on the red team" clauses in them? It works.

If GOONS were a real threat to an alliance's security, then by that virtue alone they have a reasonable CB. And if they're not a threat, then there's no problem.

Sometimes the simplest strategy is the one that's most likely to work.

Sometimes the simplest strategy is the one that's most likely to work.

The plan is stupid. Let's say you make your big chest puffing announcement and then receive a bad raid from NPO or TOP. What do you do then? Is it only an insta-declare if it's GOONS? Do you really think you'll get the ally support to roll us with such a transparent excuse to war?