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Highlights from WCE: Part 2

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Sardonic

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Welcome back! As we saw in the last installment, the mischievous plotting was just getting underway, devilishly clever plans to set up dummy alliances for GOONS to raid were being hatched and a good time was being had by all.

[20:25] <~Schattenmann> You know what's so funny? UjW started in part when GOONS raided a member of GGA and refused to stop, then GGA defended the member and GOONS declared on the defenders

So to speak, anyway. Schattenman invokes the UjW, forgetting a few details in the process, mainly that the GGA 'nation' wasn't flying the AA at the time, and that GOONS (the elder) refused to pay reps over it because the nation had no indication it was a GGA member.

[20:26] <@Peggy_Sue|UPN> there has been rude, beligernet talk and Sardonic doesn't want to negotiate to meet in the middle

Here's peggy, fundamentally misunderstanding diplomacy. Diplomacy is not automatically about "meeting in the middle", diplomacy is about getting what you want, making friends, screwing enemies, and getting justice. We were not interested in a compromise, though we did eventually reach an agreement with ODN.

[20:26] <~Schattenmann> GOONS doesn't know what middle ground is

[20:26] <@Peggy_Sue|UPN> Wow

[20:26] <%Supa_Troop3r[DT]> Howdy

[20:26] <@HeroofTime55> GOONS doesn't understand if something isn't profitable

Once again, they miss the point of our high reparations level, it's not about profit, it's about justice, and paying your dues to society.

[20:27] <@MyWorld[DT]> It's all about the loss of pixels for them.

[20:27] <@Poyples> then we get crap loads of e-lawyers and little material difference

[20:27] <@HeroofTime55> So we ALL want to rush GOONS as a single alliance?

[20:27] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> coalition*

[20:27] <@HeroofTime55> ^

[20:27] <@HeroofTime55> my bad

[20:27] <@Grumpdogg[NpO]> UPN can handle Goons, it's their friends that are the problem

[20:27] <@HeroofTime55> If we rush GOONS and only GOONS

[20:28] <@HeroofTime55> Their friends will attack our whole coalition

[20:28] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> " UPN can handle Goons," errr

[20:28] <@HeroofTime55> But their friends' friends might be less inclined

[20:28] <@TCK> IF everyone rushes goons then they can sit back and pick and choose entry points

[20:28] <@HeroofTime55> Right

[20:28] <@bud> ^^^

[20:28] <@HeroofTime55> Thanks TCK, lol

Master tacticians at work.

[20:29] <@bud> who here can handle the top tier FOK UMB PC possibly MK top tier i dont see an AA in here that can deal with them

Bud is beginning to understand why this is a terrible idea, but he presses on in the channel anyway.

[20:30] <%Supa_Troop3r[DT]> Umb top tier is pretty scary.

[20:30] <@HeroofTime55> ok yeah i suck at strategy lol

[20:30] <@HeroofTime55> don't listen to me anymore >_>

[20:31] <@MyWorld[DT]> It will have to be a numbers game on their top tiers

[20:31] <@bud> yes with the unlimeted tech from goons it gets only worse

It's always nice to see the Umbrella/GOONS partnership pay off, our "unlimited" tech to them has made them a dire threat indeed.

[20:31] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> our advantage will have to be numbers and political pressure

Oh Daggarz, you are so far in over your head.

[20:31] <@Cookavich[NpO]> we could pull a liquid mercury and peace out everyone over 90k

[20:31] <~Schattenmann> ^

[20:31] <~Schattenmann> If there's no one for them to attack then they don't matter

[20:31] <@HeroofTime55> Do we have the capability to win a war like that

[20:31] <@HeroofTime55> Against Umbrella?

[20:32] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> I would say so

[20:32] <@MegaAros> ^

[20:32] <@HeroofTime55> And isn't TOP still under terms

[20:32] <@MegaAros> Hm

[20:32] <@MyWorld[DT]> many of our AA's have a crap load of 80kers or less in them, the question is do the numbers add up?

[20:32] <@bud> top and iron both are iirc

[20:32] <@Peggy_Sue|UPN> back

[20:32] <~Schattenmann> TOP will not fight GOONS and I would caution anyone not to speak to them

[20:32] <@MegaAros> Ah.

[20:32] <~Schattenmann> GOONS has been relaying TOP's reps, they have no reason to cooperate

The idea of TOP coming is quickly disregarded for economic reasons. Schattenmann clearly has a complete understanding of Milton Friedman's assertion that countries who are economically dependent on each other will not go to war. Or he's just making crap up like he usually does, either way.

20:32] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> someone mentioned Pacifica

[20:32] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> that would be a huge boon to our side

[20:33] <@Poyples> Pacifica is bloated and almost empty of tech:

[20:33] <@Poyples> ?*

[20:33] <@bud> Pacifica would only take away political pressure it would be viewed as revenge

[20:33] <@HeroofTime55> ^

[20:33] <@Cookavich[NpO]> mmm, their mid tier + ours would do a lot, though

[20:33] <@MegaAros> Yes.

I don't claim to understand all the intricacies of modern NpO/NPO relations, but once again, I'm guessing NPO would not be cool with this.

[20:34] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> I dont see the hate for NPO anymore

[20:34] <@HeroofTime55> There is

[20:34] <@bud> its all over Daggarz

[20:34] <@HeroofTime55> Especially in CnG

[20:34] <%Biff[CoJ]> Daggarz, you're harder to get a hold of than the governer general

[20:34] <@Co_God_Ben[loss]> there is

[20:34] <@bud> xiph would give his left nut to hit them again

I have to wonder if that's true or not, Xiph is probably a fan of his left nut. Regardless, more fruitless discussion over NPO.

Aaaand that's enough for part 2, stay tuned for part 3.

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You forgot the part where even the people using UPN can't stand UPN.

[20:17] <%Daggarz[Nemesis]> okay someone brought up a really good point

[20:18] <%Daggarz[Nemesis]> does this plan hinge on UPN not being @#$%?

[20:18] <@Poyples> haha, straight to the point Daggarz, as always

[20:18] <~Schattenmann> I've been wanting this to happen since before I heard about UPN 20 minutes ago

[20:18] <@MegaAros> It seems that is our main form of attack.

[20:18] <@MrWhiteOcUK> UPN is a huge bonus

[20:19] <bud> UPN are dead weight they would be mostly shields if you can even get them ot go on the offensive at all

[20:19] <@TCK> UPN would be the one with the CB if we went that route

UPN, your "friends" are only using you for a CB. Even they find you useless.

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You forgot the part where even the people using UPN can't stand UPN.

[20:17] <%Daggarz[Nemesis]> okay someone brought up a really good point

[20:18] <%Daggarz[Nemesis]> does this plan hinge on UPN not being @#$%?

[20:18] <@Poyples> haha, straight to the point Daggarz, as always

[20:18] <~Schattenmann> I've been wanting this to happen since before I heard about UPN 20 minutes ago

[20:18] <@MegaAros> It seems that is our main form of attack.

[20:18] <@MrWhiteOcUK> UPN is a huge bonus

[20:19] <bud> UPN are dead weight they would be mostly shields if you can even get them ot go on the offensive at all

[20:19] <@TCK> UPN would be the one with the CB if we went that route

UPN, your "friends" are only using you for a CB. Even they find you useless.

Thats an unsual definition of the word friend your using there.

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[20:18] <@MrWhiteOcUK> UPN is a huge bonus

Ahh yes, Mr. White, that tactical genius that got his alliance wiped out in the War of the Coalition because there was no provision for surrender in his alliance's charter. :rolleyes:

I don't know that they've ever fully recovered.

[20:19] <bud> UPN are dead weight they would be mostly shields if you can even get them ot go on the offensive at all

A factual statement.

But OOC here folks, what the point of this show? To laugh at people or get a nice big war started? Surely it comes as a surprise to no one that people talk about doing all sorts of things behind the scenes, but the plans never pan out, either because people are too busy grabbing ass, people can't agree on war objectives, or they do the math and come up short.

Some people around here are fond of making the statement, "do something about it". Guess what? more than a few people/alliances behind the scenes are doing more than chattering endlessly on the OWF. You'd think that would at least merit a "nice try". Guess it only counts if it's the "right" people, eh?

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[20:27] <@Grumpdogg[NpO]> UPN can handle Goons, it's their friends that are the problem

UPN: Bottom-heavy alliance with little-to-no military efficacy

GOONS: Bottom-heavy alliance with military efficacy (I can't comment on how good as I've not paid much attention to your performance, but I get the feeling it's at least average or better)

This translates to UPN basically being sheep lost in a forest filled with GOONS wolves. :v: UPN would get eaten alive, and in that matchup GOONS would have no lack of targets.

...This would be amusing, UPN, declare already. :awesome:

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