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My Thoughts on the NSO War

Caleb279

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Recently NSO has gotten into a bit of trouble with Ragnarok and their protectorate TENE. Let me run down the timeline for you:

-Sedrick complains on the TENE forums, asks out.

-He steals aid, refusing to pay it back

-He attacks several TENE nations, putting them in anarchy, claiming they spied on him.

-Sedrick leaves TENE and tries to join MHA...who refuse.

-Sedrick joins NSO

Now NSO had no knowledge of the trouble Sedrick was in. While they never contacted TENE, why should they have? They had no reason too.

-NSO becomes aware of issues.

-NSO supports Sedrick; gives aid; claims TENE never gave reason of attacks.

Now as I see it, NSO is caught up in the middle of something they didn't ask for here. They had no knowledge he was a rogue, and quite frankly it's TENE's fault for not trying to make amends with NSO. I think NSO did a very honorable thing by not backing off without solid reasoning. They also didn't ask for any help as they try to resolve this issue. TENE...not so honorable.

-Ragnarok declares war on NSO.

-Viridian Entente declares war on NSO.

-GOD declares war on NSO.

Ragnarok made a DoW as protectorate of TENE. Completely understandable. But calling in allies, in my personal opinion, was wrong. There's some blame to be put on NSO, of course, but TENE as well. While Ragnarok is obligated to attack the New Sith Order, I don't think calling in any allies is necessary, no matter how strong your bonds are.

Here's a quote from the Decree of the Sith:

While I'm not in the business of offering protection to rogues. I am in the business of protecting my members. I am in the business of providing all aid and assistance to my members until my alliance no longer breathes life. When you wish me to drop that protection, you better have a good reason and be willing to back up your claims. If you are unwilling to discuss the validity of your claim, I am unwilling to halt my protection. It is unreasonable to assume that I will take the word of every individual who makes unsubstantiated claims, and I am a reasonable man.

Diplomatic procedures exist that adequately handle these affairs. Procedures which we have all used and enjoyed in the past. The rash behavior and unreasonable demands made by Van Hoo convince me this is nothing more than an attempt to create a large-scale conflict. A conflict to flush out a non-existant boogeyman. An attempt to find skeletons where they do not exist. For this reason, I have no plans to request help. You will have to find your war somewhere else.

And then Ragnarok's DoW, complete with logs, stated that aiding a rogue is considered an act of war. However NSO also made it very clear that TENE attacked first, and that Sedrick was the victim, with no proof of him spying. NSO proceeded to aid Sedrick, stating Ragnarok's DoW to be unjust, stupid, and a political ploy.

The numbers are clearly against the New Sith Order, however I can't see what they did wrong. Honestly now, what would you have done? Kicked the "rogue" to the curb? There isn't proof of anything either way, so NSO did what they should've...continued protecting their member until he's proven guilty. Ragnarok was unreasonable in my opinion.

I am neutral in the conflict, and I have good friends in both alliances. However, if I had to chose an alliance to support it would be the New Sith Order. They appear to be the victim of a irrelevant alliances's problems, and Ragnarok's hunger for war/ lack of compromise.

What do you think, is NSO being stubborn, or is Ragnarok being unreasonable?

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Rebel Virginia

While I'll agree that we shouldn't have aided Sedrick (he is by no means the victim here), and that no one is truly without some blame, most of the major diplomatic failures can be traced directly to the actions of RoK.

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Caleb279

While I'll agree that we shouldn't have aided Sedrick (he is by no means the victim here), and that no one is truly without some blame, most of the major diplomatic failures can be traced directly to the actions of RoK.

Indeed. Their own logs prove that.

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Il Impero Romano

Debate the legitimacy of the CB all day if you want, but don't debate them calling in allies. NSO was hitting peace mode mid day, plans had to change accordingly and they sought the help of allies who happened to have high IRC activity at the time to cover nations they could not an prevent them from jumping into peace mode. If it were not for that, there would be little more then Rok themselves involved in this war, as was originally planned.

That being said, carry on with the arguing and whatnot.

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Dagrr

Debate the legitimacy of the CB all day if you want, but don't debate them calling in allies. NSO was hitting peace mode mid day, plans had to change accordingly and they sought the help of allies who happened to have high IRC activity at the time to cover nations they could not an prevent them from jumping into peace mode. If it were not for that, there would be little more then Rok themselves involved in this war, as was originally planned.

That being said, carry on with the arguing and whatnot.

You thought Rok was going to be able to keep NSO out of peace mode and staggered by themselves? I find that a little hard to believe.

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memoryproblems

Debate the legitimacy of the CB all day if you want, but don't debate them calling in allies. NSO was hitting peace mode mid day, plans had to change accordingly and they sought the help of allies who happened to have high IRC activity at the time to cover nations they could not an prevent them from jumping into peace mode. If it were not for that, there would be little more then Rok themselves involved in this war, as was originally planned.

That being said, carry on with the arguing and whatnot.

I look forward to seeing VE, GOD and RnR withdraw from this war when their current wars expire and RoK can take over those slots.

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Northern Empire

So the NSO is in fact clearly in the rogue protection business. if not they would have simply paid reps, probably been around 3-6 million ,most certainly no more than that.

even with the opportunity to come clean NSO choose to engage in (by ROK's definition)an act of war. by aiding the rogue this has caused NSO to get dogpiled. ROK was left with no choice ,after NSO basically ignored the ROK's attempt at a more peacful ending.

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jerdge

In general: I would have thought that basic background checks, diplomatic talks prior the engagement of aligned (alleged) rogues and a minimum of investigation before supporting anyone were not only rewarding, but also easy tasks to be performed.

About this affair: no comment! smile_hippie.gif

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Omniscient1

You thought Rok was going to be able to keep NSO out of peace mode and staggered by themselves? I find that a little hard to believe.

No there is a different reason NSO jumped to peace mode. RoK wasn't meant to stagger NSO by themselves.

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HHAYD

Next time NSO, when an alliance shows up saying that one of your new members is a rogue, ask the alliance that the rogue assaulted for their evidence on why the rogue attacked.

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snibbmaster

I agree with HHAYD. Yes RoK was overly aggressive, but the NSO should have investigated rather then jumping to conclusions and backing him without any thought to what the situation was.

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Caleb279

I agree with HHAYD. Yes RoK was overly aggressive, but the NSO should have investigated rather then jumping to conclusions and backing him without any thought to what the situation was.

They didn't jump to conclusions either way. One of their members was being attacked, and RoK was playing stupid diplomacy. If they had investigated they would've found no proof, as TENE as yet to provide any. This is RoK using a protectorate and friends to try and start another big war.

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snibbmaster

They didn't jump to conclusions either way. One of their members was being attacked, and RoK was playing stupid diplomacy. If they had investigated they would've found no proof, as TENE as yet to provide any. This is RoK using a protectorate and friends to try and start another big war.

I was referring to when they accepted him into the alliance. Their policy of letting people at war into their ranks may be their trademark, but look where it got them.

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