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Reading comprehension ftw. Nowhere did I indicate that I personally disagreed with Ram's ascension to overmind status.

Then Gramlins were clearly wise in entrusting you to your position.

I fully agree with you Bob, but for a second I thought I read something about being a Vidian, but it turns out my eyes were playing tricks on me...For a second, I was excited.

The thing to remember is that this is a game. A player shouldn't have to feel compelled to single handily "fix" an alliance. They should go where they feel things are working and where they fit in.

Bob, I'm glad you posted this. Its sad to see Gre fall apart like they have, and its sad to see what is happening to IRON.

Yes I know its a game, and your logic would apply to people who complain about the same issue at nauseum. The gramlins didnt need to be fixed, it was firing on all cylinders, people left, it declined and they sat back and !@#$%*ed about the decline. Certainly within the realm of a "game" to do so, as it is to point out the shortcomings of taking that tact when said people were clearly in a position to do somethign about it.

Janova wasnt in the end, he tried I saw his effort and it was a good one. The alliance was to far gone at the point as bob dylan once said "it dosent take a weather man to know which way the wind blows". The current situation with gramlins was forecast more then a year ago, this is no mystery, no shocker and in the broad scope of its history highly expected due to the losses of personel it suffered. Going on about it, again, for the 100th time lends one to deduce either bitterness, lack of intelligence, boredom or genuine dislike by those who choose to engage in it.

We get it, gramlins is in the crapper.

baawwwwwwww.

You're just too funny, bob. You and the rest of the old crew had the alliance in a strangle-hold. You guys were the gatekeepers for everything. But first you were too lazy so you let Ram start running stuff behind the scenes. Then you were too inactive to keep him from officially taking control. And now you all complain that the alliance has turned into something you don't like.

Thank you for leaving, bob. You did the alliance good in the end.

Now I may not be overly fond of Gre, but the man does have a point. How many ex-Gre members are floating about right now? There are the Ninjas, and then a good number of TOP members, in addition to Bob and those that went to MK. You cannot deny that your inactivity and lack of caring did allow Ram to be voted into power. Had you taken an active role, you likely would be running Gre rather than Ram and his friends. So yes, you are not free of blame. One man alone cannot destroy an alliance....unless the alliance is too lazy to stop him.

In your own words: "obviously I didn't do enough", "my efforts were not enough", "some of it is probably my fault", "Like I said, I failed" and "I'm guilty of [...] not being good enough at stopping the rot". Given those comments, why on earth do you think you're in any position to give repeated lectures of criticism towards Gre telling them all how they've really let themselves go, when the Gre we see today is because of your own inaction and incompetence yesterday?

Just like one man can't destroy an alliance, one man can't save it either. As some former Gre members have noted, Bob did try. However, he was nearly alone during the final days, and the efforts were futile is what he is saying. What is the point in fighting a hopeless battle? So really, you cannot blame Bob or Ram alone on the decline of Gre. There is blame enough for everyone.

And I'm pretty sure whether gone or not they're still acting retarded.

That has nothing to do with anything at all.

It may be retarded, but something this Gremlins would accept nonetheless.

This Gramlins stuff has gotten to \m/ post-Unjust War bad. All the crying and whining when all it would have taken to fix it was possessing a pair and standing up for what you believed in.

Fix it or leave and shut up since you had your chance and blew it.