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Aut Callout

Penkala

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Will Aut fight?  

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In April, Aut called me out for a fight. I agreed, and he attacked. And my alliance cut me off. I gave Aut white peace and promised him I would duel him some time down the road.

Today, I offered Aut a duel in CN:TE (something that hadn't even occurred to me). Aut declined. I suspect it is because, in TE, he will no longer have his tech advantage (he had over 20x my tech) and he will no longer have his wonder advantage (he has 9x the wonders I do, including a Pentagon, MP, and FAFB.)

Aut, I promised you a duel. The time is now. Accept and fight me on an even playing ground or admit that you're a coward who only wants a fight when you have massive advantages against your foe.



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Not that my opinion would matter much to you, however I doubt that I am alone in the thinking that moving a challenge to TE is a weak move, and an attempt to find an easy way out. TE challenges are nothing, most people would challenge anybody in TE at any time, the fight happens, the round ends, and the nations are deleted, and it's over with. That's like challenging somebody to a fight, only to later change it to a pillow fight.

Why not go toe to toe with your CN standard nations, where the results just can't be erased easily with no ramifications on your CN nation, the one you've actually spent lots of time and energy on?

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Easy, just leave CSN, DoW Aut, finish the war, rejoin CSN. That is if you want to defend your honor!

I don't believe CSN would be willing to take him back so easily. However, I may be thinking of someone else. Quite frankly though, hopping from them to someone else and dueling AUT in between wouldn't be much of a surprise from Penkala.

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I read the OP. Didn't read anything else.

Fact is, both of you are acting like kindergarteners. You're making a fool of yourselves to the world in a pointless argument. So what if Penkala is better than AUT or vice versa at "war" ? Is there a point to this argument at all?

I'd rather be more skilled in all other aspects of this game (alliance and political side) than in the actual mechanics of the game. Being skilled at the mechanics is just a bonus. And to be completely honest, unless one of you seriously sucks, you can only get so good at game mechanics. This game we play is extremely limited. Reaching maximum efficiency during peace and war can be done simply by reading guides.

Grow up, guys. The world is facepalming every time you post.

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Not that my opinion would matter much to you, however I doubt that I am alone in the thinking that moving a challenge to TE is a weak move, and an attempt to find an easy way out.

You are most certainly not the only one thinking that.

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So, your calling him a coward for not wanting to duel you in TE but you don't want to duel him in SE. What does that make you then? And if you say TE doesnt give either of you an advantage, then you're the coward because it shows that you don't want to risk your nation even though you're the one calling him a coward.

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I think for a feud of this magnitude, you should settle it over a game of backgammon.

CSN is not allowed to play backgammon.

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Seems to me kind of like this:

Canada: United States you're a bunch of chickens! You suck!

United States: Okay?

Canada: Yeh, we'll see whose better let's duel!

United States: Sure, okay. (to wife) Honey? I'll be back in 5 minutes.

Canada: But wait, there are some rules.

United States: Okay, like what?

Canada: Well you have to get rid of 4/5 of your military, you're not allowed to use planes or artillery, and any other advantage you have is off the table. Then, we'll see who's the stronger man!

United States: *yawns* (to wife) Nevermind. I'll be in for dinner now.

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Oh for Christ's sake just fight him already Penkala

If you haven't read anything, I'm trying. I can't fight in SE but I can in TE. There is no difference except that it'd be a guaranteed equal footing whereas in SE he has large advantages. That's why he won't do it.

I don't believe CSN would be willing to take him back so easily. However, I may be thinking of someone else. Quite frankly though, hopping from them to someone else and dueling AUT in between wouldn't be much of a surprise from Penkala.

I'm not leaving CSN for a duel with Aut when I can just duel in TE and, you know, not jeopardize my standing in my home.

So, your calling him a coward for not wanting to duel you in TE but you don't want to duel him in SE. What does that make you then? And if you say TE doesnt give either of you an advantage, then you're the coward because it shows that you don't want to risk your nation even though you're the one calling him a coward.

I'm not allowed to duel him in SE. I can in TE. I've taken the only option available to duel Aut. He refuses to do that.

Seems to me kind of like this:

Canada: United States you're a bunch of chickens! You suck!

United States: Okay?

Canada: Yeh, we'll see whose better let's duel!

United States: Sure, okay. (to wife) Honey? I'll be back in 5 minutes.

Canada: But wait, there are some rules.

United States: Okay, like what?

Canada: Well you have to get rid of 4/5 of your military, you're not allowed to use planes or artillery, and any other advantage you have is off the table. Then, we'll see who's the stronger man!

United States: *yawns* (to wife) Nevermind. I'll be in for dinner now.

More like

Boxer 1: Want to spar?

Boxer 2: Sure!

Boxer 1: Ok bring your red gloves!

Boxer 2: I'm not allowed. Can I just bring my blue gloves?

Boxer 1: No! Your blue gloves are exactly the same as my blue gloves and it would be about skill if that happened. This thing is off!

Boxer 2: But I thought it was about ski..

Boxer 1: IT'S OFF OK?

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I bet people would support this duel happening a lot more if they knew that the loser wouldn't be allowed to post on the CN forums (including blogs) for two weeks..

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lol TE duels are worthless...you're basically saying you're afraid to eat an infra loss.

Actually, this whole back-and-forth is worthless.

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So Penkala and AUT are trying to draw attention to themselves for attentions' sake? I would have never seen this coming. NEVER!

Easy, just leave CSN, DoW Aut, finish the war, rejoin CSN. That is if you want to defend your honor!

Haha. I dont see Penkala doing that. Other people may feel a hinkerin' to say hi :D

He only attacks people when he has the upper hand. And no, CN:TE isn't a good substitute. As has been said, CN:TE is just for &$*#%-n-giggles. Nothing more, really. If you agreed to duel with AUT in CN:SE, then do it. You've left alliances and rejoined others before. What makes this any different?

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Christ, if you two really want to show who's e-peen is best, play a game of Go and come back to me once your brain hurts.

And seriously, have fun with this you two. Calling this tedious and obnoxious is an understatement.

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Just as an aside mathematically, it must be nearly impossible to declare and fight someone with 20x your tech, unless one of you has like 1 tech and the other has 20...

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Not that my opinion would matter much to you, however I doubt that I am alone in the thinking that moving a challenge to TE is a weak move, and an attempt to find an easy way out. TE challenges are nothing, most people would challenge anybody in TE at any time, the fight happens, the round ends, and the nations are deleted, and it's over with. That's like challenging somebody to a fight, only to later change it to a pillow fight.

Why not go toe to toe with your CN standard nations, where the results just can't be erased easily with no ramifications on your CN nation, the one you've actually spent lots of time and energy on?

This.

Also, this comes to mind.

AUTdone.gif

Penkala, you're being a joke right now. Your whole CN warring career is picking on the weak nations, yet when the tables are turned you coward out. Now, I'm not great at war, but at least I fight nations at my level.

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lol TE duels are worthless...you're basically saying you're afraid to eat an infra loss.

Actually, this whole back-and-forth is worthless.

I only have 999 infra dude. And besides, I've already proved I don't care about my infra (see: This last war) and that's enough to show that I'm not doing this to 'protect infra'. If you still think I'm an infra hugger despite the fact that I lost like 7,000 infra last war (and started with 3,869.99) then, well....

Believland, that's a downright lie. You know that's not true. 3/4 of the NSO nations I faced had an MP. I also fought at least another 3 nations with MPs *that I can specifically remember* in this past war alone. I was nuked around 10 times last war... 17 total. I make it a habit of declaring on the tough targets and seeking out low-NS nuclear nations. Frankly, you're the one making yourself look like a fool. I'm. Not. Allowed. To. Duel. In. SE. It's not that I don't want to. It's not that I'm afraid to. It's that I'm not allowed to. I take orders from my alliance. I *am* allowed to duel in TE, so of course I'm offering it. A defeat in either would still be a defeat. Dueling isn't about the damage to a person's SE nation. It's a competition. It means nothing if I lose infra in TE or SE, it's all the same! I'm not 'afraid' to lose infra in SE. I have nothing to lose. I only have 999 infra!

OK, let's try this way of getting the point across. Forget that SE even exists. It's not an option. A duel here isn't an option. I've offered a duel on TE. My only option. How is that cowardly?

He only attacks people when he has the upper hand. And no, CN:TE isn't a good substitute. As has been said, CN:TE is just for &$*#%-n-giggles. Nothing more, really. If you agreed to duel with AUT in CN:SE, then do it. You've left alliances and rejoined others before. What makes this any different?

Fighting 6-v-1 for a month, while being sanctioned, with less than one days' bills as a warchest, against an 80+ man alliance and its allies, including IRON, is fighting when I have the upper hand? Really?

Besides, I've told him I can't duel in SE. This is the substitute.

Just as an aside mathematically, it must be nearly impossible to declare and fight someone with 20x your tech, unless one of you has like 1 tech and the other has 20...

He had like a third of my infra and was at the top of my strength range. And I don't know what the $%&@ was going on with my math. You're right. Wow. Hmm. Well, he had around 500 tech and I had 50. 10 times, not 21. [/facepalm] Thanks mhawk.

Can anyone give me a difference between a duel in SE and TE? The outcome's the same: One winner and one loser, no?

lol TE duels are worthless...you're basically saying you're afraid to eat an infra loss.

How is a TE duel any different?

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Believland, that's a downright lie. You know that's not true. 3/4 of the NSO nations I faced had an MP. I also fought at least another 3 nations with MPs *that I can specifically remember* in this past war alone. I was nuked around 10 times last war... 17 total. I make it a habit of declaring on the tough targets and seeking out low-NS nuclear nations. Frankly, you're the one making yourself look like a fool. I'm. Not. Allowed. To. Duel. In. SE. It's not that I don't want to. It's not that I'm afraid to. It's that I'm not allowed to. I take orders from my alliance. I *am* allowed to duel in TE, so of course I'm offering it. A defeat in either would still be a defeat. Dueling isn't about the damage to a person's SE nation. It's a competition. It means nothing if I lose infra in TE or SE, it's all the same! I'm not 'afraid' to lose infra in SE. I have nothing to lose. I only have 999 infra!

OK, let's try this way of getting the point across. Forget that SE even exists. It's not an option. A duel here isn't an option. I've offered a duel on TE. My only option. How is that cowardly?

Fighting 6-v-1 for a month, while being sanctioned, with less than one days' bills as a warchest, against an 80+ man alliance and its allies, including IRON, is fighting when I have the upper hand? Really?

How is a TE duel any different?

So you fought 24 nations and 18 were nuke capable yet you manage to only take 10 nukes? Did you have to strike a deal for that? Either you're slacking or there isn't many targets with in your NS with nukes. Probably a combination of both. Well, if you're not allowed to duel in SE then how about you just keep your mouth shut? Wouldn't that make this whole ordeal disappear?

Difference between SE and TE is that TE doesn't matter, it has no ramifications on your nation. Someone said it before, "It's like challenging someone to a fight and then organizing a pillow fight" /ScottVanPelt .

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So you fought 24 nations and 18 were nuke capable yet you manage to only take 10 nukes? Did you have to strike a deal for that? Either you're slacking or there isn't many targets with in your NS with nukes. Probably a combination of both. Well, if you're not allowed to duel in SE then how about you just keep your mouth shut? Wouldn't that make this whole ordeal disappear?

Difference between SE and TE is that TE doesn't matter, it has no ramifications on your nation. Someone said it before, "It's like challenging someone to a fight and then organizing a pillow fight" /ScottVanPelt .

Where did you get 24 and 18?

And Aut challenged me. And duels aren't about 'ramifications to [your] nation'. It's not about destroying infra. It's about a competition, and that competition is valid no matter the cost to your SE nation.

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Where did you get 24 and 18?

And Aut challenged me. And duels aren't about 'ramifications to [your] nation'. It's not about destroying infra. It's about a competition, and that competition is valid no matter the cost to your SE nation.

Alright then, both of you guess how many fingers I'm holding up right now and whoever is closest is better at CN.

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You were sub-2000 NS with 5 GCs and 5 Barracks. Doesnt matter how many you put on someone like that, nations at that size are going to be overmatched due to lack of improvements...but you know this, or at least should with your wealth of military knowledge :lol1:

But to this current situation, you're running scared. I get it. You're not much for fighting unless you have the upper hand. You talk a big game yet rarely, if ever, back it up. I'm just glad you've made enough of a spectacle of your little spat to let everyone else see it as well.

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