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The New Grämlins


Iotupa

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I don't consider myself a friend of IRON, as I've had my fair share of differences with them in the past. In fact, prior to the restoration of the GGA, I was in MK fighting against IRON and TOP nations because of their outright aggressive attack on C&G. However, the behavior exhibited by the new Grämlins is outrageous and on par with the behavior of the NPO of the past. I call upon all right and just people of the Cyberverse to realize this is not the Grämlins of old and that remaining tied to them and encouraging this behavior is detrimental to the entirety of Planet Bob.

The "too long; didn't read" of the following logs are that IRON was offered terms, which they accepted, but were then told the terms were no longer available. Grämlins has decided they want IRON to completely demilitarize, without offering them any protection, before they will even "discuss peace terms." Read and make your own decision, but this war continues only because of the new Grämlins tyrannical behavior.

Session Start: Thu Mar 18 19:39:04 2010

Session Ident: VonDroz|Gre

01[19:39] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> hi

[19:39] <VonDroz|Gre> hey man

[19:39] <VonDroz|Gre> heard you were looking for me?

01[19:39] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> sorry to intrude, but i hear you were looking for IRON

01[19:39] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> lol ditto

[19:39] <VonDroz|Gre> lol

04[19:40] <VonDroz|Gre> yeah just wanted to chat w/ IRON .gov etc

01[19:40] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> ah well hi

01[19:40] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> i am the Secretary of State

01[19:40] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> if that suffices for you

01[19:40] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> how is GRE holding up?

[19:40] <VonDroz|Gre> we're holding up excellently

[19:41] <VonDroz|Gre> i just went over stats and historical records

01[19:41] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> sounds like a fun time

[19:41] <VonDroz|Gre> i estimate we can fight for a couple years at this pace, a little longer bc i estimate a few applicants will join as well

01[19:42] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> o doubt

01[19:42] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> *no doubt

01[19:42] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> i figure the same

[19:42] <VonDroz|Gre> excellent!

01[19:42] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> Smile

01[19:42] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> yeah, you have your friends

[19:42] <VonDroz|Gre> it's fun for sure

01[19:42] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> we ahve ours

01[19:42] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> the pissing gsame aside

[19:42] <VonDroz|Gre> we do indeed!

[19:42] <VonDroz|Gre> heh

01[19:42] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> our members want peace

01[19:42] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> you know that too

[19:42] <VonDroz|Gre> i do

01[19:42] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> but we can play this if you like

01[19:43] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> i always had respect for GRE though

01[19:43] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> the old one

[19:43] <VonDroz|Gre> heh, the old one

01[19:43] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> well just like IRON is not who we were then, neither are you guys

01[19:43] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> we all change

[19:43] <VonDroz|Gre> there were good guys, there were bad guys, there were guys who started off cool and finished idiodic

[19:43] <VonDroz|Gre> absolutely

[19:43] <VonDroz|Gre> btw

01[19:44] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> yeah

[19:44] <VonDroz|Gre> i'd like to tell you my view on peace discussions

01[19:44] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> sweet, i would be honored (honoured if your british)

[19:44] <VonDroz|Gre> i don't want you to think i'm an asshat, bc i'm not a dick, i'm a nice guy, i'd love to chat with you, this isn't about feelings though, just straight business

01[19:45] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> oh i concur

[19:45] <VonDroz|Gre> so, don't just walk away and think "droz is a big $@!, $%&@ the gremlins"

[19:45] <VonDroz|Gre> excellent news

01[19:45] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> lol nah, i didnt have that impression

[19:45] <VonDroz|Gre> good man, good man

[19:45] <VonDroz|Gre> so, my views in summation:

[19:46] <VonDroz|Gre> i'm not going to negotiate terms now, that's not to my advantage, it's to yours

[19:46] <VonDroz|Gre> i won't talk peace at all, actually

01[19:46] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> ok

01[19:46] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> i am all eyes

04[19:47] <VonDroz|Gre> it's my intention and vehement policy to continue the fight until IRON is prepared to unconditionally surrender and disarm, admitting defeat, at which point we may certainly discuss terms

01[19:47] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> i see, the prior offer was 10k at 3/150

01[19:47] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> then i will withdraw our acceptance of that

[19:47] <VonDroz|Gre> i'm removing it

[19:47] <VonDroz|Gre> okay

01[19:49] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> then i dont see any other business then, we have already agreed to terms with all but sparta, so now then it shall be war until you are ready to discuss terms

[19:50] <VonDroz|Gre> no, no, no

[19:50] <VonDroz|Gre> i think you misunderstood me

[19:50] <VonDroz|Gre> it's war until you're ready to accept terms

[19:50] <VonDroz|Gre> until then

01[19:50] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> we had already acceepted the deal agreed

[19:50] <VonDroz|Gre> we will batter anyone in anything approaching a high ns level and anyone out of PM

01[19:50] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> it was removed

01[19:51] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> so be it

[19:51] <VonDroz|Gre> so be it

01[19:51] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> and you can police us

[19:51] <VonDroz|Gre> it'll be a pleasure

01[19:51] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> but i do not understand

01[19:51] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> you want us to unconditionaly surreneder, so then you can demand which ever you want, to deter and dismantle IRON

[19:51] <VonDroz|Gre> may i help you via clarification? i'm quite willing to explain myself

[19:52] <VonDroz|Gre> you see

[19:52] <VonDroz|Gre> this is about advantage and security

04[19:52] <VonDroz|Gre> Gre and IRON went to war, they fought, they parted quickly and amicably, after negotiating

[19:52] <VonDroz|Gre> remember? it wasn't long ago

01[19:53] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> i remember

01[19:53] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> and then you atacked us again this war

01[19:53] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> you recall that

[19:53] <VonDroz|Gre> i do

[19:53] <VonDroz|Gre> defensively

01[19:53] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> no

01[19:53] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> you have no treaties

01[19:53] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> paperless yes

01[19:54] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> so you have the right to intervine where ever

01[19:54] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> agressively

01[19:54] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> and then demand reps off if it

01[19:54] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> that is what i am seeing out of it no?

01[19:54] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> we were even told not to attack your dear freinds in FARK

01[19:54] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> and we honored that Smile

01[19:55] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> so as you were already prepeared to attack us

[19:55] <VonDroz|Gre> thank you Smile

[19:55] <VonDroz|Gre> listen

[19:55] <VonDroz|Gre> i want to say this

[19:55] <VonDroz|Gre> i've been drinking this evening

[19:55] <VonDroz|Gre> i will admit it

01[19:55] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> ah i envy you

[19:55] <VonDroz|Gre> drinking and watching WWII videos

[19:55] <VonDroz|Gre> at any rate

01[19:55] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> now your just being a jerk

01[19:55] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> ok sorry

[19:56] <VonDroz|Gre> i think what i said so far here was incredibly irresponsible of me, wouldn't you agree?

[19:56] <VonDroz|Gre> heh

[19:56] <VonDroz|Gre> i feel dumb

01[19:56] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> its ok

[19:56] <VonDroz|Gre> i'm reading now

01[19:56] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> we all have our stuff, jack and coke is my weakness

[19:56] <VonDroz|Gre> same bro

01[19:56] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> nice!

[19:56] <VonDroz|Gre> hell ya!

01[19:58] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> my fav is a shot of jack with a splash of coke, it makes it all so smooth

[19:58] <VonDroz|Gre> i think i tried to sound like churchill

06[19:58] * VonDroz|Gre shudders

[19:58] <VonDroz|Gre> and i love that man

[19:58] <VonDroz|Gre> sounds awesome

01[19:58] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> he is a good man

[19:59] <VonDroz|Gre> he is

[19:59] <VonDroz|Gre> you know he vehemently believed the US should imperialize in order to prevent a "black republic" in cuba?

01[19:59] <DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS]> yes

[19:59] <VonDroz|Gre> he firmly believed that africans would be a scorge to world politics

[20:00] <VonDroz|Gre> i like persepective

[20:00] <VonDroz|Gre> anyways

[20:00] <VonDroz|Gre> this convo

[20:00] <VonDroz|Gre> hm

Session Close: Thu Mar 18 20:02:09 2010

Session Start: Thu Mar 18 20:02:22 2010

Session Ident: VonDroz|Gre

[20:02] Session Ident: VonDroz|Gre (Coldfront, DVDCCHN[iRON|SoS])

[20:02] <VonDroz|Gre> how about this

[20:02] <VonDroz|Gre> can we talk tomorrow

[20:02] <VonDroz|Gre> i will not drink

[20:02] <VonDroz|Gre> we can begin anew

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In our dealings with Gre to negotiate surrender terms(Zenith & Old Guard) I found them to be firm, yet fair and accommodating. They improved my opinion of them 10 fold. I certainly hope they don't reverse that trend by making demands that demean them.

I can state with some certainty that there will be strong public backlash should they require complete demilitarization BEFORE starting any talks. I would urge them to reconsider that requirement in light of the negative attention it would garner them.

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I don't see anything damning, he apologized and said he was drunk. Only bad thing was wanting them to unconditionally surrender.

people say they are drunk on IRC when they dont want to be in trouble. Its just like saying "oh my brother logged on my nation! I didnt meant to nuke you..."

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In our dealings with Gre to negotiate surrender terms(Zenith & Old Guard) I found them to be firm, yet fair and accommodating. They improved my opinion of them 10 fold.

I agree. I am in Old Guard, and Kzoppistan's judgment is right on point. I found Grämlins to be reasonable in negotiations to end our war with them. That may be anecdotal evidence and overtaken by events now, but it was true at the time.

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When I was at gramlins Von Droz was a decent person, always reasonable and able to see other points of view, certainly one of the better people in the cabal of archons. If this log isnt doctored, I would say he likely was drinking but nothing would surprise me at this point.

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VonDroz and most of Gremlins are cool. The only reason they're new is because a lot of their great leadership left and other ones emerged. Even the bad ones still are semi decent... kinda... only talked to them once and they seemed decent. Also, "Grow thicker skin"

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I don't see anything damning, he apologized and said he was drunk. Only bad thing was wanting them to unconditionally surrender.

Being drunk is no excuse for ones action...If that was me talking to him i would have told him to go #$%& himself and to kick @$&!ing rocks...I dont care what type of apology he gave...For you to bully in someone else name is just cowardice and they deserved to get rolled if the other parties decide to...

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Sometimes it happens.... and at least he apologized and had a decent conversation...

Honestly, I'm not disappointed but I found it funny ;) No big deal...

Drunk IRC is always fun... and my rule about that is "when you're drunk on IRC, only talk to friend and allies, this way you wont do too much dumb things"

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