Goldie's Fun House

Could you share the terms instead of just saying "you're doing the opposite of what you said you'd do trust me"?

I'm not really in the loop so maybe all the cool kids will get the reference you're making, but some of this seems hard to prove without evidence.

I. On Joint Offensive Operations

The Grämlins shall only participate in joint operations if the full evidence and proof for the CB has been shared, the exact goal of the war has been defined, rough peace term demands have been discussed and the other participants have been named.

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I wonder what the rough peace terms were the day they entered into the war.

I'd be interested to see the substantiation of this.

However, I will tentatively say "Poor form, Gre, poor form."

Could you share the terms instead of just saying "you're doing the opposite of what you said you'd do trust me"?

I'm not really in the loop so maybe all the cool kids will get the reference you're making, but some of this seems hard to prove without evidence.

I don't have the exact terms in front of me, I'm sure when someone feels the need to leak them they will get leaked.

This is more about the generalities of what they have offered, and how it goes against everything Gre claims to, and once did, stand for.

Enough information can be gleaned from the first edition of the peace terms leaked on Ejay's blog a month or so ago, and from the thread on World Affairs. Grämlins appear to be demanding an unconditional surrender (i.e. 'you surrender and then we can do what we like') from IRON.

Enough information can be gleaned from the first edition of the peace terms leaked on Ejay's blog a month or so ago, and from the thread on World Affairs. Grämlins appear to be demanding an unconditional surrender (i.e. 'you surrender and then we can do what we like') from IRON.

But...they were bandwagoners...what...*headdesk*

I don't have the exact terms in front of me, I'm sure when someone feels the need to leak them they will get leaked.

This is more about the generalities of what they have offered, and how it goes against everything Gre claims to, and once did, stand for.

With no details from the peace negotiations, can you demonstrate the grudge bit of your diatribe?

I was sure when I first saw the Codex it was a tough standard to live by, but I had faith the Grämlins would live up to it. I'm sorry to hear that I was mistaken. So much has changed.

Enough information can be gleaned from the first edition of the peace terms leaked on Ejay's blog a month or so ago, and from the thread on World Affairs. Grämlins appear to be demanding an unconditional surrender (i.e. 'you surrender and then we can do what we like') from IRON.

I know DAWN is small, still I insist that we are named as well when we should be

Goldielax, can you add my signature to this post pls?

I'm hesitant to condemn the Gremlins until they've had a chance to explain themselves, but I have trouble thinking up a legitimate reason for demanding unconditional surrender.

So my undeRstanding of it is that a certain somebody suddenly decided he wanted to be Harry Truman and demand Japa--errr--IRON's unconditional surrender. You can probably imagine how this certain somebody is likely incapable of adMitting how foolish and unnecessary this is to the entire peace process. It is exactly this kind of ridiculous conduct that was deemed unacceptable by a large portion of this community nearly a year ago.

I do not blame Complaints and Grievances for this hold-up. Indeed, I applaud any effort they are making to rectify the issues. I also encourage my former comrades in IRON and TOP to show patience in this matter. I think we know this is a matter of one man's foolishness rather than a systemic issue.

CnG have been very respectable in this matter

its just too many WWII movies for GRE that is holding everything up

With no details from the peace negotiations, can you demonstrate the grudge bit of your diatribe?

Just the concept of them demanding stiffer reparations than others and choosing to violate so much of their Codex on a single enemy demonstrates that fact more than any other analysis could do.

So my undeRstanding of it is that a certain somebody suddenly decided he wanted to be Harry Truman and demand Japa--errr--IRON's unconditional surrender. You can probably imagine how this certain somebody is likely incapable of adMitting how foolish and unnecessary this is to the entire peace process. It is exactly this kind of ridiculous conduct that was deemed unacceptable by a large portion of this community nearly a year ago.

I do not blame Complaints and Grievances for this hold-up. Indeed, I applaud any effort they are making to rectify the issues. I also encourage my former comrades in IRON and TOP to show patience in this matter. I think we know this is a matter of one man's foolishness rather than a systemic issue.

Hahhahah.

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So my undeRstanding of it is that a certain somebody suddenly decided he wanted to be Harry Truman and demand Japa--errr--IRON's unconditional surrender. You can probably imagine how this certain somebody is likely incapable of adMitting how foolish and unnecessary this is to the entire peace process. It is exactly this kind of ridiculous conduct that was deemed unacceptable by a large portion of this community nearly a year ago.

I do not blame Complaints and Grievances for this hold-up. Indeed, I applaud any effort they are making to rectify the issues. I also encourage my former comrades in IRON and TOP to show patience in this matter. I think we know this is a matter of one man's foolishness rather than a systemic issue.

I chuckled.

I'd rather get more info on this before I say anything. The only thing we, the peanut gallery, know right now is what some TOP guy said wich was the words unconditional surrender. Rather see more than two words before making any comments.

I'm also a bit upset that most people seems to have dropped the attempts to pin this on mk. Have you forgotten that we're the root of all evil? That NPO guy from the locked thread had us pinned down as enablers thus making it all our fault. That wasn't too far fetched you can work with that. Come on. We need the attention

also coursca capital letters + bold made it not so subtle

I. On Joint Offensive Operations

The Grämlins shall only participate in joint operations if the full evidence and proof for the CB has been shared, the exact goal of the war has been defined, rough peace term demands have been discussed and the other participants have been named.

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I wonder what the rough peace terms were the day they entered into the war.

The Grämlins' participation is not through a joint offensive operation, which is what article one is referencing. Ironically enough it was written after participating in an offensive operation alongside TOP that left them with a bad taste in their mouths after the reparation discussions.

But...they were bandwagoners...what...*headdesk*

No they aren't. Nice try.

I'd rather get more info on this before I say anything. The only thing we, the peanut gallery, know right now is what some TOP guy said wich was the words unconditional surrender. Rather see more than two words before making any comments.

I'm also a bit upset that most people seems to have dropped the attempts to pin this on mk. Have you forgotten that we're the root of all evil? That NPO guy from the locked thread had us pinned down as enablers thus making it all our fault. That wasn't too far fetched you can work with that. Come on. We need the attention

also coursca capital letters + bold made it not so subtle

Your putting words in my mouth is appreciated, although let me correct you there. I said if MK was not going to leave their ally who was being unreasonable, alone on the field, then MK was enabling said ally to commit such unreasonable acts. Not that its all MK's fault. I am sorry but you cannot steal the "root of all evil" title from us.

V. On Treaty Chaining

No mutual defense agreement shall chain with other agreements not signed by The Grämlins.

They have ONE treaty which isnt *really* a treaty..more of a faux merger

Meh, Gre technically took reps in the NoCB. granted they paid for the tech but it didnt come from tech sellers

They attacked the side that was already clearly going to lose with no treaty commitments, that's pretty much a textbook definition of bandwagoning. That doesn't really affect the fact that they are clearly breaking what Goldie says they are, though.

And nice post, Coursca!

Edit: Yes, we took reps in BLEU war, though it was paid for at a neutral rate (3/150 might look mean now but it wasn't so far off the market rate then). It was clear that we weren't going to get the sort of peace terms we wanted and that was essentially a way of reducing the effective size of the reps. The Codex was drawn up in response to how that war and its peace negotiations had gone so Grämlins didn't end up being party to bad terms again in future.

Your putting words in my mouth is appreciated, although let me correct you there. I said if MK was not going to leave their ally who was being unreasonable, alone on the field, then MK was enabling said ally to commit such unreasonable acts. Not that its all MK's fault. I am sorry but you cannot steal the "root of all evil" title from us.

Sorry but you have repented for your sins and are the good guys now. I'm not putting anything in your mouth. If you want I could make you a sandwich though. I think it's great that you just happened to pick mk out of all the enablers you could have picked. It really made me surprised. No really I didn't think it was too far fetched and I think you should keep working on that line I enjoyed it.

It made alot more sense than the claims that we're responsible for the TOP DoW at least and that's a big step up.

Just the concept of them demanding stiffer reparations than others and choosing to violate so much of their Codex on a single enemy demonstrates that fact more than any other analysis could do.

No actually that doesn't address anything about a "grudge" at all.

Sorry but you have repented for your sins and are the good guys now. I'm not putting anything in your mouth. If you want I could make you a sandwich though. I think it's great that you just happened to pick mk out of all the enablers you could have picked. It really made me surprised. No really I didn't think it was too far fetched and I think you should keep working on that line I enjoyed it.

It made alot more sense than the claims that we're responsible for the TOP DoW at least and that's a big step up.

But we havent changed and are still "the root of all evil".

Note my post on the locked thread and you'll see MK(C&G). I named MK as I see them as the main face of C&G and I am too lazy to name everyone, I thought you'd be happy about that D: . And in any case yes anyone who is withholding on offering peace to IRON due to Gremlins is enabling them to push their ridiculous demands.

I hope that makes it more clearer, and yeah I would like that sandwich now.

But we havent changed and are still "the root of all evil".

Note my post on the locked thread and you'll see MK(C&G). I named MK as I see them as the main face of C&G and I am too lazy to name everyone, I thought you'd be happy about that D: . And in any case yes anyone who is withholding on offering peace to IRON due to Gremlins is enabling them to push their ridiculous demands.

I hope that makes it more clearer, and yeah I would like that sandwich now.

*makes a baby sandwich*

I am happy. I suggested that we keep pushing this. I mean it'd be dumb to see where the negotiations leads before saying that we should abandon our ally that entered for our sake. If that even is what's going on. Nobody really have any indepth info on this outside the people actually involved.

Also mk is way more evil npo. Just ask around and you'll see.