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TOP's Counteroffer: lol what

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1. The Order of Paradox, Independent Republic of Orange Nations, Democratic Alliance of Wise Nation, The Order of Righteous Nations and The Sweet Oblivion, hereby named for the sake of clarity TIDTT, admit defeat and surrender to the collective forces of the Complaints & Grievances Union, and their allies (list cut off but it then lists all alliances la la la)

2. TIDTT shall pay reparations in the amounts outlined below. In the case of both reparations paid directly by TIDTT and of TIDTT paying for tech deals from other alliances, it is the responsibility of TIDTT to ensure that payments reach targets specified by the receiving alliances.

3. Reparations may be distributed by the Complaints and Grievances Union to any alliance or nation not engaged in conflict with any alliance over 2 nations as they see fit, or any nation within the Complaints and Grievances Union not at war with any TIDTT targets or direct allies of TIDTT.

4. TOP will pay a total of 50k tech in reparations.

5. IRON will pay a total of 40k tech in reparations.

6. TSO will pay a total of 15k tech in reparations.

7. DAWN will pay a total of 5k tech in reparations.

8. TORN will pay a total of 7k tech in reparations.

9. Further along the forces of TIDTT agree to decommission up to 50% of their nuclear weapons in sign of good faith, for the duration of terms. This means they will be protected by the CnG Union for the same duration.

10. None of the nations member of TIDTT are to be left behind. Unless the victorious alliances are asking that we accept a sentence of multiple ZI, all our member nations have fought bravely in this war and have been subject of and the attackers had the opportunity of ZI'ing anyone.

11. Any beverage/food review is available as long as at least one government member of TIDTT is willing to test such things and then write about the experience.

A little birdie (or two <_<) told me this was the counteroffer. 50% of nuclear arsenal. I wouldn't consider anything less than 95% decom if I were CnG. Whatever.

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Yes because them spamming the first thread with "NUTS" was very mature. The "stop being immature" argument doesn't really work here.

The difference is "nuts" used in their context was a moral boosting allusion to an act of defiance. Indeed they are out numbered and defiant, check. In the context of the other posters, the historical and strategic links are disregarded and "Nuts" is used similarly to how a child would repeat everything their target would say for the purpose of annoying.

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The difference is "nuts" used in their context was a moral boosting allusion to an act of defiance. Indeed they are out numbered and defiant, check. In the context of the other posters, the historical and strategic links are disregarded and "Nuts" is used similarly to how a child would repeat everything their target would say for the purpose of annoying.

Its also still just spam. No matter which way you throw it having a bunch of people rush a topic, spamming it, is not any better than what MK posters did here.

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The second most hilarious part of this counter (the first being term 10) is the distribution. It goes without saying that TOP's huge stockpiles of tech have (largely through their nukes) caused an uncomparable amount of damage in this war. Even without statistics (as they'd be very difficult to obtain), I'd be willing to guess that TOP alone has caused a large majority of the damage taken by C&G and their allies. This was largely reflected in the original terms offered to TIDTT.

Yet here in their counter-offer, what do we see? TOP offering a measly amount equal to just 7% of their tech. While the alliances who only supported their actions are offering much more than that. TORN is offering 21% here. DAWN is offering 17%. Even TSO and IRON blow them away offering 12% and 10% respectively. It may not be much, but its a lot more than the people who started this whole thing.

So TOP: Stop letting your peripheral allies (especially TORN and DAWN) pay more for your mistakes than you do.

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Mocking via mimicking, a highly effective form of taunting.

- Second grader's handbook of social interaction.

Mocking via sarcasm, a highly effective form of taunting.

- Second grader's handbook of social interaction.

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The second most hilarious part of this counter (the first being term 10) is the distribution. It goes without saying that TOP's huge stockpiles of tech have (largely through their nukes) caused an uncomparable amount of damage in this war. Even without statistics (as they'd be very difficult to obtain), I'd be willing to guess that TOP alone has caused a large majority of the damage taken by C&G and their allies. This was largely reflected in the original terms offered to TIDTT.

Yet here in their counter-offer, what do we see? TOP offering a measly amount equal to just 7% of their tech. While the alliances who only supported their actions are offering much more than that. TORN is offering 21% here. DAWN is offering 17%. Even TSO and IRON blow them away offering 12% and 10% respectively. It may not be much, but its a lot more than the people who started this whole thing.

So TOP: Stop letting your peripheral allies (especially TORN and DAWN) pay more for your mistakes than you do.

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I find it ironic that you're using reps YOU YOURSELVES imposed as propaganda. The fact you extorted FEAR for defending us, and you're using that to somehow boost your case is hilarious.

Secondly, do not concern yourself with our relations with TOP. There is a small of handful of alliances still bleeding beside us as we fight for survival, and they're one of them.

Finally, mhawk beat me to it, but it seems the majority of commenters here don't know the history of the "NUTS" comment.

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I find it ironic that you're using reps YOU YOURSELVES imposed as propaganda. The fact you extorted FEAR for defending us, and you're using that to somehow boost your case is hilarious.

Secondly, do not concern yourself with our relations with TOP. There is a small of handful of alliances still bleeding beside us as we fight for survival, and they're one of them.

Finally, mhawk beat me to it, but it seems the majority of commenters here don't know the history of the "NUTS" comment.

The desire to recoup *some* damages sustained in an unprovoked attack on uninvolved parties (which your little gaggle yourself admit was foolhardy, and rightfully so) equates to extortion? Seriously? I don't imagine you're that dense, so I'll assume you're trying hard to spin. Either way you're failing - and flailing - miserably. Tis entertaining nonetheless.

PS: BOOOO HOOOO. Some don't know or care about the historical context of the "Nuts!" exclamation. Lets get bent out of shape about that, of all things.

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I find it ironic that you're using reps YOU YOURSELVES imposed as propaganda. The fact you extorted FEAR for defending us, and you're using that to somehow boost your case is hilarious.

Secondly, do not concern yourself with our relations with TOP. There is a small of handful of alliances still bleeding beside us as we fight for survival, and they're one of them.

Finally, mhawk beat me to it, but it seems the majority of commenters here don't know the history of the "NUTS" comment.

Your side didn't really use NUTS correctly either, when they did it. Also lol at "extorting" FEAR.

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The desire to recoup *some* damages sustained in an unprovoked attack on uninvolved parties (which your little gaggle yourself admit was foolhardy, and rightfully so) equates to extortion? Seriously? I don't imagine you're that dense, so I'll assume you're trying hard to spin. Either way you're failing - and flailing - miserably. Tis entertaining nonetheless.

PS: BOOOO HOOOO. Some don't know or care about the historical context of the "Nuts!" exclamation. Lets get bent out of shape about that, of all things.

Please, spare me the talking points.

PPS: I'm not bent out of shape, its funny.

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I find it ironic that you're using reps YOU YOURSELVES imposed as propaganda. The fact you extorted FEAR for defending us, and you're using that to somehow boost your case is hilarious.

Secondly, do not concern yourself with our relations with TOP. There is a small of handful of alliances still bleeding beside us as we fight for survival, and they're one of them.

Finally, mhawk beat me to it, but it seems the majority of commenters here don't know the history of the "NUTS" comment.

First of all. FEAR didn't "defend" TORN, they attacked CnG on a OPTIONAL agression pact.

Secondly, the image sunstar used was to show how ludicrous your offer was, and his post in general was showing quite clearly that TOP aren't willing to step up and take the mess that THEY created on their shoulders. Instead they're forcing allies to pay far more proportionally than themselves.

Finally, i thought the NUTS thing was stupid for obvious reasons, but after reading the past few pages i've been proven wrong. Godamn you guys dont know when to leave stuff alone.

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I seem to recall AirMe stating in Ejay's blog that CnG highballed the reps in the initial offer so that they could negotiate down to a reasonable amount. This is the counter, which is a low ball. I don't see why CnG is freaking out about it.

When you go to buy a house you start very low, lower than you know you are going to get it for and the seller starts higher than they think they are going to get for it. After whittling away at things, you finally come to a deal. That is what negotiating is.

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I fail to see how asking 50% of an alliances tech as reps to 7 alliances that where attacked for no reason and dealt massive damage to during the fighting is unreasonable. If however you want to argue that this is a low counter offer then it is apparent that TOP and company truly have no idea how to negotiate anything other then getting reps as this is nothing besides insulting and makes many of the people they are fighting want to demand even higher reps.

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I find it ironic that you're using reps YOU YOURSELVES imposed as propaganda. The fact you extorted FEAR for defending us, and you're using that to somehow boost your case is hilarious.

Secondly, do not concern yourself with our relations with TOP. There is a small of handful of alliances still bleeding beside us as we fight for survival, and they're one of them.

Finally, mhawk beat me to it, but it seems the majority of commenters here don't know the history of the "NUTS" comment.

did you look at the propaganda? They're paying for 18% of the damage done. I'd like to know what you think extortion actually means. If we were actually 'extorting' reps from FEAR that number would be alot higher than 18%

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I fail to see how asking 50% of an alliances tech as reps to 7 alliances that where attacked for no reason and dealt massive damage to during the fighting is unreasonable. If however you want to argue that this is a low counter offer then it is apparent that TOP and company truly have no idea how to negotiate anything other then getting reps as this is nothing besides insulting and makes many of the people they are fighting want to demand even higher reps.

i'm not TOP or IRON so i cant comment on how their larger member base would deal with the reps but the original offer was high and there's no way to get even higher reps. the fact that IAA wanted anything was a joke. and part of the surrender terms was extemely small alliance(s) paying out more than they could afford for fighting with allies.

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i'm not TOP or IRON so i cant comment on how their larger member base would deal with the reps but the original offer was high and there's no way to get even higher reps. the fact that IAA wanted anything was a joke. and part of the surrender terms was extemely small alliance(s) paying out more than they could afford for fighting with allies.

They can easily ask for more reps. Getting TOP etc to accept is a whole other deal. This was a retardedly low counter offer, but what can you do?

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I find it ironic that you're using reps YOU YOURSELVES imposed as propaganda. The fact you extorted FEAR for defending us, and you're using that to somehow boost your case is hilarious.

Secondly, do not concern yourself with our relations with TOP. There is a small of handful of alliances still bleeding beside us as we fight for survival, and they're one of them.

Finally, mhawk beat me to it, but it seems the majority of commenters here don't know the history of the "NUTS" comment.

Actually Polar started this whole thing how much did they pay?

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They can easily ask for more reps. Getting TOP etc to accept is a whole other deal. This was a retardedly low counter offer, but what can you do?

and the terms they offered were retardedly high. it's called negotiating. if you go to a car lot and buy a vehicle that's marked 25% above market value, you're an idiot.

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Actually Polar started this whole thing how much did they pay?

I don't remember polar attacking us.

Take it as a lesson, NEVER attack CnG unless you have an extremely clear upper hand. You will pay dearly for such mistakes. It will cost you a lot more than the pittance these thugs think they can get away with.

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I have to defend TOP and their flunkies. They have a perfectly good right to make a counter offer regardless of how low it is.

Now if someone in CnG could take the original offer, revise it up 10%, and present it as out reply to the TOP counter offer. Then I would be happy that the negotiatin is proceeding as it should.

Start a fight, dont start squealing unfair when you start gettin a beating.

Options are clear guys.

Pay the original reps and the war ends.

Fight on and be destoryed even more than we have done to you so far, then pay reps and the war ends.

You know its not really about reps anyway. You guys in TOP and all of the other flunkies need to be asking yourselves. Who made the stupid decision that has led our Alliance to ruin? Should I follow a leader or Gov that endorced that decision that has led my Nation to ruin?

Never worry about saying nuts to express an opinion just make sure your not nuts in the head and follow my leader of the cliff.

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