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Tygaland

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Try stepping away from Cybernations for a month and returning last week!

An endless assortment of people blubbering about alliances having to pay reps and being held in wars longer than they think they should be. Not that hypocrisy and whining come as a great surprise to me..actually no surprise at all. The main thing that leapt out at me was the balls-to-the-wall manner in which alliances that happily plundered fallen foes are now crying rivers of tears whenever anyone demands reparations from war.

I've been around this place long enough to think I'd seen and heard it all but I think this war has stirred up more stupidity than perhaps any other before. And that is not even taking into account the manner in which the war started or the treaty cluster$%&@ that eventuated.

You have a member of the community running around bemoaning C&G's reparations requirements while he happily gorged himself at the reparations trough after the noCB war and seemed quite content with himself in doing so.

You have alliances that try to take advantage of a perceived foe's moment of weakness and go for the throat but come up with a mouthful of foot and then complain when those they attempted to take out don't give them a pat on the head and call a white peace.

Hilarious.

For a while the whole "you are as bad as the Hegemony" routine was amusing, then it got old...but now it is back to hilarious as people continue to spout this nonsense as though it is actually an argument in itself.

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Newsflash, the Karma War was never about a new era of white peace. If you kick of an aggressive war but take a large divot instead of nailing a drive down the middle of the fairway you don't get to run off, collect your ball and try again later. When people tell you there are no take backs and don't give you white peace the moment you realised you shagged up then you just look like a complete moron wailing on the forum about your foes being worse that the Hegemony. Most of the whiners were the goddamned "hegemony" at some point anyway.

Karma, to me, was about a new era of fair and reasonable terms for vanquished foes (something I advocated quite vocally at the time) and for the most part that has indeed been the case despite the noise generated by the terminally offended. If you and your allies decide to take someone out aggressively then if it goes bad expect to pay some reps. You started it so the people you attacked are within their rights to demand reparations for the damage your aggression caused them.

When the Continuum was running the show even the most peripheral alliance dragged in via treaties were forced to pay reps even when they were on the "defensive" side. Did any of you whiners complain then? Hell no. You guys were clearing your aid slots ready to accept the blood money you had demanded post war. Now you try and tell others they are just as bad as you for wanting reps when you attack them! As I said, it is just too funny.

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You guys aren't convincing anyone with more than one firing neuron but, by all means, keep it up as it is still giving me one hell of a laugh watching you try and convince the world you are the victims of horribly unreasonable enemies...who you insult by claiming they are as bad as you. Not even close guys...not even close.

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Why did you tell them to continue <__<

They choke out any reasonable and interesting arguments from the TOP/IRON side and turn the OWF into a moshpit of idiots screaming at each other.

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The OWF has always been a moshpit of idiots screaming at each other. I find people who take a stupid concept and actually take it to a whole new level of stupid to be quite amusing. Until I get bored of it...

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I am not so opposed to reps but rather which alliances are demanding reps and from who. Tell me, can you seriously believe that Sparta deserves over a billion in reps from TOOL? Perhaps CnG has a right to claim reps from TOP, but Sparta? Really just reminds us all that some alliances have yet to receive a much deserved beating.

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I am not so opposed to reps but rather which alliances are demanding reps and from who. Tell me, can you seriously believe that Sparta deserves over a billion in reps from TOOL? Perhaps CnG has a right to claim reps from TOP, but Sparta? Really just reminds us all that some alliances have yet to receive a much deserved beating.

I'm not sure I claimed in my article what you accuse me of, RV.

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Oh, I am aware of that. And I was not speaking to you there but rather to Sparta's apologists. Quite frankly few alliances deserve a beating more than they do. Their entire history is weaseling from one power to the next, living well, taking reps, using power to kill those they don't like for less than solid reasons, and once their allies answer for those crimes Sparta somehow manages to always escape, by finding a new teat to suckle at. Oh, trust me, I won't be happy until they get what they have coming.

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I'm on the side of the web that's bawwing about the reps. I don't know where that meme came from, but it should go back to where it came from. When I see people on my side of the web crying about reps, I even cringe over it. I can't imagine what it looks like from the other side of the web. Much of which is still crying about reps paid in wars long ended, btw.

That's why I propose we all get together at some sort of No More Tears summit and develop a plan to ridicule everyone on both sides of the web when they whine about reps. Whenever someone crosses the line between a simple 'we're not paying that' and 'that's a bajillion, trillion, kerjillion dollars!', BAM! We verbally exchange blunt objects with them.

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You have a member of the community running around bemoaning C&G's reparations requirements while he happily gorged himself at the reparations trough after the noCB war and seemed quite content with himself in doing so.

Is this me? I want to check before going off on one.

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If you kick off an aggressive war but take a large divot instead of nailing a drive down the middle of the fairway you don't get to run off, collect your ball and try again later.

Missed an f. ;)

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I am not so opposed to reps but rather which alliances are demanding reps and from who. Tell me, can you seriously believe that Sparta deserves over a billion in reps from TOOL? Perhaps CnG has a right to claim reps from TOP, but Sparta? Really just reminds us all that some alliances have yet to receive a much deserved beating.

Just to clarify, Sparta only got $800M from us. ;) There were two other alliances asking for reps in that scenario.

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I am not so opposed to reps but rather which alliances are demanding reps and from who.

I agree with this. If someone agressively declares and loses, there is nothing wrong with them paying some measure of reps. If an alliance declares because of a treaty, they possibly should pay reps, depending on the situation. But if an alliance is declares on someone, they shouldn't demand reps from those they attacked. They were merely defending themselves.

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Did any of you whiners complain then? Hell no. You guys were clearing your aid slots ready to accept the blood money you had demanded post war.

Yeah, I didn't give your alliance white peace at all in noCB.

What I'm sick of is people complaining about the people complaining about reps as if every one of them has always demanded reps. A few alliances and people didn't. And, no matter what, everyone has the right to complain. With the number of people jumping alliances nowadays, and the huge number of players in CnG/SF alliances who were at some point during the hegemony's rule in hegemony alliances, this whole idea of deciding present as well as past views on reps of other players due to their present AAs is stupid.

Now what I find funny is alliances that took reps both in the hegemony and now (Sparta anyone) getting little to no flak from the current power centers. I guess they'll get theirs when they aren't needed as meatshields then. And if they don't, isn't that a huge form of hypocrisy itself? "Hey, we're gonna whine about the hegemony's actions, even though they supposedly paid in Karma. But we're not gonna blame Sparta, who accepted reps under the hegemony, and are now some of the 'leaders' in requesting reps." ... :huh:

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There is mantra..."war is fun", yet then you wish to cripple the war making capabilities of opponents for some time with terms. Aren't these diametrically opposing concepts?

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I wish more people would follow the STA example of dealing with excessive reps demands, just keep fighting until it becomes agreeable.

Personally I have always felt that the level one alliances have a right to go after what ever reps they feel they can demand. Level two alliances (those brought in during the first hours of the war due to direct defensive treaties) have a right to fair compensation. Level three alliance (those who join the war due to chaining treaties or "oA") really have no right to reps.

Just my opinions.

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Is this me? I want to check before going off on one.

No, I wasn't thinking of you when I wrote that but I left it open name-wise to see who'd bite.

I have to go to work now so I'll respond to some of the other comments later. I just didn't want you yo type up a big old rant for no reason. :P

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I for one believe in more reps. More Reps for NpO. They started a war on a foe they thought they had the advantage on and ended up eating foot.

Do you agree tyga? ;)

The NpO didn't lose the \m/ - NpO war. If I remember correctly, it ended in light grey peace. Had NpO been soundly defeated it would not have been unreasonable for \m/ to demand reps.

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Tyga's great because he's got enough of a fan base to say what tons of other people are saying and get applause rather than a screaming drown-out or apathy response.

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