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Pics or it didn't happen.

I've been hearing a lot of Death-Noteish ramblings about TOP v. C&G and I don't buy it. There was far too much that could go wrong - I get that we're the Tinfoil Hat Brigade on CN, but this is a little farfetched even for that. I'll happy rescind the comment if more proof shows up, but right now there's a lot of coincidence and conjecture, and that's not what I be lookin' for.

Pics or it didn't happen.

I've been hearing a lot of Death-Noteish ramblings about TOP v. C&G and I don't buy it. There was far too much that could go wrong - I get that we're the Tinfoil Hat Brigade on CN, but this is a little farfetched even for that. I'll happy rescind the comment if more proof shows up, but right now there's a lot of coincidence and conjecture, and that's not what I be lookin' for.

May be a lot of coincidence, but I have been involved in planning numerous wars, I have NEVER heard of an ally not even informing its allies of peace talks. Sorry but you can pic/screenshot all you want...I don't see ANY explanations from Grub and crew as to why they left those that came in to defend them hanging as they did.

This is after as late as last evening Grub basically begging folks from the coalition that had formed to come in and assist, this is after most of the day yesterday many in the coalition that had formed being unable to access war rooms on irc..sorry but I'm not buying it.

By all means btw..feel free to comment as long as it adds to the convo I have no problem with it.

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also... http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=79454&st=180&p=2139875entry2139875

Our plot to set up IRON succeeded?

Our plot to set up IRON succeeded?

Congratulations Chickenzilla..nice to see ya again

Have to hand it to ya, nice to see one of your plots come to fruition...

May be a lot of coincidence, but I have been involved in planning numerous wars, I have NEVER heard of an ally not even informing its allies of peace talks. Sorry but you can pic/screenshot all you want...I don't see ANY explanations from Grub and crew as to why they left those that came in to defend them hanging as they did.

This is after as late as last evening Grub basically begging folks from the coalition that had formed to come in and assist, this is after most of the day yesterday many in the coalition that had formed being unable to access war rooms on irc..sorry but I'm not buying it.

By all means btw..feel free to comment as long as it adds to the convo I have no problem with it.

edit:

also... http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=79454&st=180&p=2139875entry2139875

18 pages? Greh. Looks like I've got some reading to do.

Eh. I'm not sure. I've planned a few wars in my time as well, and I never underestimate the stupidity of both my allies and my opponents. Love them all to death, but there's been some silly stuff that's gone on.

So far what I've gathered from Grub'n'co is that (some) people did have knowledge of the peace talks. I don't like the time it hit, and I don't like how it came down, but I still think people are attributing too much to machintations and not enough to blind luck.

18 pages? Greh. Looks like I've got some reading to do.

Eh. I'm not sure. I've planned a few wars in my time as well, and I never underestimate the stupidity of both my allies and my opponents. Love them all to death, but there's been some silly stuff that's gone on.

So far what I've gathered from Grub'n'co is that (some) people did have knowledge of the peace talks. I don't like the time it hit, and I don't like how it came down, but I still think people are attributing too much to machintations and not enough to blind luck.

Fair, and that is a possibility but this is very disheartening to many in regards to Polar relations. Going to be an interesting aftermath on this one.

It was all Sponge. The whole thing.

Fair, and that is a possibility but this is very disheartening to many in regards to Polar relations. Going to be an interesting aftermath on this one.

Now that I definitely agree with. Regardless if this was a stroke of genius or a complete rooster-up of communication when someone wanted out, it was very poorly done. Telling the people who moved in to support "Well it's not our fault they agreed to the terms when you were all fighting lolololol111!one" is just frosting on the failcake.

We didn't tell them to attack us, they did that on their own :/

just to point out against the conspiracy theories. NpO is not allied to TOP, IRON, DAWN, or TORN. Polar may very well have told all their allies they where discussing peace but for whatever reason the information never got to TOP/IRON in time. You also have to consider is that no matter how brilliant the people on CnG's side are they can't have forced TOP and IRON to declare war on them that was their own idea.

just to point out against the conspiracy theories. NpO is not allied to TOP, IRON, DAWN, or TORN. Polar may very well have told all their allies they where discussing peace but for whatever reason the information never got to TOP/IRON in time. You also have to consider is that no matter how brilliant the people on CnG's side are they can't have forced TOP and IRON to declare war on them that was their own idea.

However, it is entirely possible that once IRON+TOP told Grub that they were planning a preemptive assault on C&G, that word got to \m/ allies and they told \m/ "Right, now we're getting what we want - peace out, agree to Grub's terms, NOW."

Actually I'd go from possible to incredibly likely.