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An STAers Complaint Against Complaints and Grievances


Ragashingo

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Let me start out by reminding everyone of my love and respect for CnG. I have long been a supporter of the ODN, ever since the Citrus War. I have been impressed with the outspokenness, strength, and honor of the Mushroom Kingdom, and I for some reason have always liked Athens despite some of their more recent slip ups. Also CnG as a whole was essential in helping defeat the NPO in last year's Karma War and if anybody knows me defeating the NPO had been one of my priorities for a long long time.

Unfortunately CnG is now proving to be a massive source of turmoil in this current war which the New Polar Order kicked off. My alliance finds itself at war against superior forces, yet our two treaties with CnG alliances have brought us exactly zero support. Our allies also have treaties with CnG members and they too are left with zero support. Now I'm not naive. I realize that this lack of support is because multiple CnG alliances have treaty conflicts. But their problems while understandable don't provide our nations any relief.

Some of our members have said that our treaties with these CnG alliances are totally without value, but I don't find that to be true at all. Our treaties with CnG alliances do have substantial value, even in this massively mixed up war. While the STA is currently facing somewhat overwhelming force our CnG treaties are preventing us from being utterly crushed. That is a good thing. We will be able to defend ourselves and our allies for far longer this way. Because of that I am of the strong opinion that we should remain allied with CnG alliances, but with a catch.

It seems fairly clear that the CnG bloc is caught in the treaty web and that the planets will have to align before we can expect our allies in CnG to be able to actually defend us. On the other hand it seems fairly clear that all the alliances of the CnG bloc are highly honorable and take their treaties seriously. Given these two facts I think the best solution for the STA is to downgrade all of our treaties with CnG alliances to NAPs. Typically a NAP is a sign of a lesser level of friendship than a MDP, but that would not be the case here. The reduction of our treaties to NAPs would simply provide an accurate portrayal of the level of support our friends in CnG are actually able to provide us. I think we are still great friends with MK, and I think the strained feelings between us and Vanguard can be repaired, but I certainly don't want to go through this again in the next war.

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No, not really.

There have been *numerous* posts to the effect of saying that popular sentiment within Mushroom Kingdom was in support of Grub's move. All up until the "Not appropriate vs. wrong" debacle.

So...Yes, really.

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There have been *numerous* posts to the effect of saying that popular sentiment within Mushroom Kingdom was in support of Grub's move. All up until the "Not appropriate vs. wrong" debacle.

So...Yes, really.

MK and others tried very hard to stop the war from even happening...and there was never any support for this war. If there was we would have had a poll on supporting NpO as such we haven't...because internally we do not agree with the war.

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MK and others tried very hard to stop the war from even happening...and there was never any support for this war. If there was we would have had a poll on supporting NpO as such we haven't...because internally we do not agree with the war.

If that's the case, then some folks were lying when they said that there was.

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There have been *numerous* posts to the effect of saying that popular sentiment within Mushroom Kingdom was in support of Grub's move. All up until the "Not appropriate vs. wrong" debacle.

So...Yes, really.

And you would know better then MK members~

The comments were more that there was support not for the move but for our allies, not the /complete/ dropoff of support that occured after that.

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If that's the case, then some folks were lying when they said that there was.

Yeah. The general MK stance was: "WHAT THE CHRIST DON'T DO IT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STTTTTTOOOOOPPPPPPPPPP"

And here we are. And just a heads up, this post is not meant to be in a rude manner in any form. Reading back it comes as a little bit of trolling and such, but please take it as simply correcting a wrong idea about something.

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