Dave Johns Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Best of Luck in RL, MOTU. I only wish I had the cajones to do what you are doing when I left. My hat is off to ya! also hello Ejay, Boondock, and Omas! I miss you guys. Yes, the old Gre was a fantastic place. /me holds back a tear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Manbearpig Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 A rogue war of passion by one of the strongest players who ever played? Amazing. Good luck in recovering what you have lost MOTU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 I was under the impression Ramirus was elected democraticly. Do you consider an election in which candidates brutalize voters free? Because that's essentially what he does, transferred to the cn context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Do you consider an election in which candidates brutalize voters free?Because that's essentially what he does, transferred to the cn context. Really? he brutalized voters? How? Did he keep sending them spam mail until they voted for him? Did he cut off their internet access if they resisted? Did he hack their family's accounts? How does someone brutalize voters in the CN context? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Really? he brutalized voters?How? Did he keep sending them spam mail until they voted for him? Did he cut off their internet access if they resisted? Did he hack their family's accounts? How does someone brutalize voters in the CN context? Easy, he singles them out and exposes them to aggressivity and ridicule if they go against his way. Since this game is about community, direct threat of allienation from the community is definetely a way of brutalizing voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Or simply having to deal with his antics to remain in the community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Johns Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 (edited) Or simply having to deal with his antics to remain in the community. this is hitting pretty close to the mark. For many, myself included, it became a matter of A)Put up with him or B)give up and leave. Edited January 15, 2010 by Dave Johns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Easy, he singles them out and exposes them to aggressivity and ridicule if they go against his way.Since this game is about community, direct threat of allienation from the community is definetely a way of brutalizing voters. If he does this to enough people wouldnt logic tell you that those people will either run against him or vote against him? he got Gre out of Citadel so hes up to something over there not just sitting on his thumbs yelling at people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzle Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 If he does this to enough people wouldnt logic tell you that those people will either run against him or vote against him? he got Gre out of Citadel so hes up to something over there not just sitting on his thumbs yelling at people Again, weighted votes. Regardless, it's no surprise that there are many who would be skeptical over this entire thing. There is some political gain in it for you, until you have to deal with Ram on his "off" days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wenwillthisend Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Do you consider an election in which candidates brutalize voters free?Because that's essentially what he does, transferred to the cn context. Pics or it didn't happen. Really believe the good stuff about him. Easy, he singles them out and exposes them to aggressivity and ridicule if they go against his way.Since this game is about community, direct threat of allienation from the community is definetely a way of brutalizing voters. Ummm you are describing ALOT of CN players here, Or simply having to deal with his antics to remain in the community. Please stop otherwise his ego will only grow. Now I do know your name but can't remember where from, don't matter much to me. Simply put, Ram is the only one members of Bob are bagging cause it is easy to blame 1 member. A few of us are just like Ram on Bob. Deal with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzle Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Now I do know your name but can't remember where from, don't matter much to me.Simply put, Ram is the only one members of Bob are bagging cause it is easy to blame 1 member. A few of us are just like Ram on Bob. Deal with it Or it could be because Ram really is a not so good guy but the rest of you are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 (edited) If he does this to enough people wouldnt logic tell you that those people will either run against him or vote against him? he got Gre out of Citadel so hes up to something over there not just sitting on his thumbs yelling at people Singling people out essentially means doing it on an individual basis. Incessantly, with no limits and no end to the deed. Pics or it didn't happen.Really believe the good stuff about him. Check the GRE forums, particularly one of the last threads I posted. Ummm you are describing ALOT of CN players here, Does the fact that this description fits "many cn players" makes it any more right? Please stop otherwise his ego will only grow.Now I do know your name but can't remember where from, don't matter much to me. I was GRE before you joined for a brief period of time, and had to deal with his ego first hand. I'm fairly sure we were alliance mates somewhere else though. Simply put, Ram is the only one members of Bob are bagging cause it is easy to blame 1 member.A few of us are just like Ram on Bob. Deal with it That may be what it looks like, but it really isn't. Sometimes things are really simple. People may be bagging at him because he actually does what they say he does. Edited January 15, 2010 by deSouza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necAnt Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 guys and ladys, this isn´t the place to even try to wash grämlins dirty laundry, yes, the ppl who left did so of there own accord, and had an reason to do so. however, this thread is about motu having his "last meal" on planet bob and he invited some friends to share it with him. hope they enjoy it, hope we see some 20k-tech-nuke-reports. and for the love of johan and his child, the admin, plz stop to discuss internal problems you had within grämlins in the past, in this thread. thanks a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pmac627 Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 I was under the impression Ramirus was elected democraticly. Elected democratically does not make him not a dictator. What I know from personal experience and my careful watch of his long and "quiet" CN career, I would consider him a dictator and the reason that The Gramlins will eventually find themselves in a bit of a pickle down the road. Knowing he is that close to the top of Gramlins says enough. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white majik Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 o/ CoUNT Have fun bro, I think we all miss what GRE use to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikz Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Easy, he singles them out and exposes them to aggressivity and ridicule if they go against his way.Since this game is about community, direct threat of allienation from the community is definetely a way of brutalizing voters. Sorry to say this, but would you vote for someone if he forced you to do so? This is a ridiculous accusation. Also, voting is anonymous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Vox 2.0? At any rate, it probably has a higher chance of success. Less nations to attack than NPO, and you already basically have two. Let's not be silly now. I'm pretty sure he has more money/infra than Vox had at its peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzle Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 (edited) Sorry to say this, but would you vote for someone if he forced you to do so? This is a ridiculous accusation. Also, voting is anonymous... It's group think. If you cast out the main players, the rest fall behind. Basic rule in politics. It should be obvious that those less than friendly with Citadel will continue to play down the overwhelming reason Gremlins has changed into the alliance they need them to be. EDIT: There also has to be a certain willpower to take over an alliance. Apathy plays a good part in politics. Let's admit it, a lot of us are apathetic. Edited January 15, 2010 by Nizzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikz Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 It's group think. If you cast out the main players, the rest fall behind. Basic rule in politics.It should be obvious that those less than friendly with Citadel will continue to play down the overwhelming reason Gremlins has changed into the alliance they need them to be. Well, it may be because I come from an alliance culture where anyone is allowed to and also will speak up all the time. I can't imagine someone forcing me to do a thing like vote for him/her. I have my own will and will act accordingly. EDIT: There also has to be a certain willpower to take over an alliance. Apathy plays a good part in politics. Let's admit it, a lot of us are apathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzle Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Well, it may be because I come from an alliance culture where anyone is allowed to and also will speak up all the time. I can't imagine someone forcing me to do a thing like vote for him/her. I have my own will and will act accordingly. You also come from a larger sample group. A group of nations who have been around forever and reached huge levels tend to be less active than they previously were. Figure maybe 10 folks are actively ruling and participating in alliance discussions...you get one individual who has, intentionally or inadvertently created such an environment that many of those who previously ran the alliance leave, and this person shows intelligence and motivation to take the lead. This person begins to continue creating a hostile environment for those who dissent...bam. You have that person getting elected. Not presuming this is the case, but it's a realistic situation for an alliance that has been bleeding active, knowledgeable members who constituted what is effectively the "old guard". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippy Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Spectacular announcement. I laughed heartily....and your English is fine. The humor translated over perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellAngel Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 (edited) People who know nothing about Gremlins should not talk about what made people leave. Actually, no one should, this is about MOTU, not about Rams' antics. Edited January 15, 2010 by HellAngel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SynthFG Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 People who know nothing about Gremlins should not talk about what made people leave. Actually, no one should, this is about MOTU, not about Rams' antics. Finaly something I can agree with, If people have a beef with who we are and how we are run then they know where to find us, airing of dirty laundry, personal grevances and long forgotten insults in public does nobody any good, Now on with the MOTU show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 People who know nothing about Gremlins should not talk about what made people leave. Actually, no one should, this is about MOTU, not about Rams' antics. And yet, your comment is still pretty backhanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellAngel Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 And yet, your comment is still pretty backhanded. Uhm, excuse me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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