Earogema Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 So, just for the people claiming that Ris was "high government." Care to explain what the advisers of Rok do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbacher Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) Prove where RoK showed the intent maybe? No need for intent..He actually did it. If mhawk stepped down and went and spied on you, Im sure you would attack us correct? Edited December 31, 2009 by jimbacher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 So wait, you have this smoking gun and you do nothing with it? Grow some balls and do something about it, Christ. They are giving RoK a chance to rectify wrongs, which is more than RoK ever did. (I would also consider this all to be IC, but whatever) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mussolandia Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Sure, if he was currently a Triumvir of the alliance. That would be equivalent to saying that Khyber's actions in ZDP speak for the intentions of TOP. It's as if saying mine speak for NSO. I take responsibility for my actions and I believe all alliances worth a damn should too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 The spy was a leader, so by default the leaders condone it. Note that the above actions did take place after Rishnokof stepped down from his government position. Uhh, why is no one reading the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Prove where RoK showed the intent maybe? So remember folks. When your Gov talks about spying its bad. But when a friends gov actually does spy its totally fine. The hipocracy presented here is epic in size and scope. I really cant even think of a time when its been more obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercoolyellow Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 lol, major fail rok, Mayhaps you should DOW on yourselves you hypocrites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 The spy was a leader, so by default the leaders condone it. Are you saying an adviser is a leader? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crymson Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Note that the above actions did take place after Rishnokof stepped down from his government position. However, given Rishnokof's status as a very senior and longtime member in Ragnarok, we are suspicious that at the least a small number of Ragnarok's members of government were aware of his activities. We also find it unlikely that he would attempt infiltration of IRON and NATO if he did not intend to feed to his alliance whatever information he could glean from his access to the forums and IRC channels of those alliances---no doubt including, in the event, what information he could obtain regarding NATO's opinions, intentions and plans as regarded the currently-tense situation in the Cyberverse. He was still an Adviser, if that's what you're wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradigm Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Smoking gun....wet noodle.....hey whatever works :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulomascovia Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 So wait, you have this smoking gun and you do nothing with it? Grow some balls and do something about it, Christ. They did. They brought it to the public and attempted to resolve the issue peacefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deth2munkies Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) My own biased tl;dr: "Please punish a banned member because we want you to. Or don't, we won't do anything about it." Seriously? No DoWs? Come now... Add to it you have no evidence he was either commissioned by Rok to do it or that he did it with anyone else's knowledge (including Hoo's). Booooring. Edited December 31, 2009 by deth2munkies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 People in glass houses and all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krzyzewskiville Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Sure, if he was currently a Triumvir of the alliance. That would be equivalent to saying that Khyber's actions in ZDP speak for the intentions of TOP. Khyber isn't even a current TOP nation, so I dunno how the hell you're arguing this point with any sort of straight face. This guy was a former Triumvir and advisor who had a multi in another alliance. That's spying from someone who has a high position in most people's books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin32891 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Uhh, why is no one reading the OP? Maybe you should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) It's New Year's Eve. It's already been said that there will be no war for holiday's sake. Learn to read, Christ. I'm not the one who is grand standing like a *&^(*&^( here now am I? If you're going to pull this kind of stunt, at least have the audacity to go through with it instead of relying on some technicality. "Oh, we would declare, but it's a holiday, so we aren't. But you know, you did something bad, so tsk tsk." Yea, definitely takes a pair to make that kind of statement. EDIT: Why isn't that word filtered? Edited December 31, 2009 by SpacingOutMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Can you read? Hello, he was gov. Can you? Note that the above actions did take place after Rishnokof stepped down from his government position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 So remember folks.When your Gov talks about spying its bad. But when a friends gov actually does spy its totally fine. The hipocracy presented here is epic in size and scope. I really cant even think of a time when its been more obvious. Note that the above actions did take place after Rishnokof stepped down from his government position. Are you going to read the OP yet or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crymson Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) Khyber isn't even a current TOP nation, so I dunno how the hell you're arguing this point with any sort of straight face. This guy was a former Triumvir and advisor who had a multi in another alliance. That's spying from someone who has a high position in most people's books. Just for clarification to any who are looking (though I'm figuring SoL didn't mean to sound otherwise): he was a current advisor, not a former one---according to their wiki, anyway. Edited December 31, 2009 by Crymson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Hoo III Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 It's not as interesting as it seems. Rishnokof left Ragnarok on December 25th and posted this message in our IA section: Well, CN has grown boring for me, and I can not truly enjoy it or see my serious plans come to fruition as it takes too much time and effort, too much time I can unfortunately not commit to the game ... So I have decided to resign from Ragnarok, on the anniversary of the original Tri. (Yeah, I'm sentimental like that, kill me). This year around, instead of inheriting an alliance, I have chosen to create my own. An alliance built on the ideals of not giving a $%&@.Anyway, In reality I'll probably just play around with this new little project and come back home to RoK later next year, so this is rather a 'cya later', than a 'goodbye'. Peace. We had no idea what his goals or motives were nor did we hold any sort of affiliation with his new project. We in fact had little to no contact with rishnokof other than an occassional visit to our public IRC channel. When we went to war, rishnokof returned to our AA citing that fighting in a war would cure his boredom. Since rishnokof left us in good standing, we found that acceptable. Rishnokof then had his nation deleted and he advised us that it was due to too many [OOC]forum warns[OOC]. We had no reason to think otherwise. With this new information coming to light, rishnokof is no longer welcome at Ragnarok. We at Ragnarok are actually pretty shocked that a long time member would do such a thing. When he said he was bored and wanted to do something, we assumed he was just going to go rogue on someone he didn't like as that seems to be the trend these days. We do not condone spying nor have we ever spied on another alliance or been aware of ongoing spy operations against anyone. rishnokof never made us aware of his operation and he certainly never shared any information with us. Had rishnokof still been a member of Ragnarok (and still had a nation) he would have been removed for such an act immediately as per RoK protocol. Despite the current conflict, IRON, NATO, NSO, TOP and anyone else we are not currently aware of have my sincerest apologies that this occured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 No need for intent..He actually did it. If mhawk stepped down and went and spied on you, Im sure you would attack us correct? No. Remember when he left, rogued, and was allowed to rejoin TPF? Yeah, me neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 This is the best CB I have seen in a long, long time. Strangely, its not in the form of a CB (yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurion Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 The spy was a leader, so by default the leaders condone it. Not even close. Hell man, they even admit that in the OP. Note that the above actions did take place after Rishnokof stepped down from his government position. What they're claiming without being man enough to actually claim it is that they think Hoo was in on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorbolt Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 It's as if saying mine speak for NSO. I take responsibility for my actions and I believe all alliances worth a damn should too. No, Rishnokof was not in RoK when he chose to go on his crazy rogue excursions. High profile rogues come along every now and then and most people do not associate their actions with their former alliances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Uhh, why is no one reading the OP? He was a high level advisor in the top levels of government. Not that I expect you to actually be anything other than disingenuous given your performance these last few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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