Ivan Moldavi Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 He was never Old Guard so far as the NPO was concerned. This should have happened years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 He was never Old Guard so far as the NPO was concerned.This should have happened years ago. Really? I thought he had been an IO since like GW1. I've been known to make mistakes and have bad lapses of memory before though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperado Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 I'm surprised it took this long to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delendum Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Well this was certainly an interesting read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 He was never Old Guard so far as the NPO was concerned.This should have happened years ago. I have a deep seated hatred for the method used in this case, and am disgusted by those who took this action. Of course, Zha mentioned the new FA strategy is to make NPO not seem as big and scary as it has been in the past. This could all just be a clever ploy, by having Zha leave and spill a bunch of tidbits people had wanted to know, but don't make any real difference except reducing the NPO's mystique, it makes the NPO seem a bit less glorified, a little more real, and serves that purpose very well. It lets people who are not a part of the NPO realize that just like any other alliance they have their internal issues, and the strong front presented is a mask that they wear well. Thats something I could come up with, but no, you're giving Triyun and that group far too much credit. Remember, it was FA's failing and incompetence that lead to their epic butthurt in the Karma war. And I feel pretty comfortable in saying that you are probably smarter than the majority of IO's in the NPO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnerjack Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Moldavi Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Really? I thought he had been an IO since like GW1.I've been known to make mistakes and have bad lapses of memory before though. No. I would never have made him an IO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookavich Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 It's good to see this from a tool like Zha, but not really anything that was a great hidden secret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 (edited) Thats something I could come up with, but no, you're giving Triyun and that group far too much credit. Remember, it was FA's failing and incompetence that lead to their epic butthurt in the Karma war. And I feel pretty comfortable in saying that you are probably smarter than the majority of IO's in the NPO. Given your continued loathing for me I take that as a pretty big statement about your feelings on the competency levels of the NPO. But yeah, I didn't think that's what was really happening or I wouldn't have bothered saying anything. edit: No. I would never have made him an IO. Okay, my bad. Edited September 27, 2009 by Seerow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 No. I would never have made him an IO. Ivan has extremely high standards, to be fair. And Moo/Dilber made several appointments that are suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudekker Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Actually, I must say that's one thing that was interesting in those logs. Not that Invicta is NPO's best ally, but that NPO knows this.In other words, watch your backs Invicta. Say what you will, but NPO has been nothing but friends to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 (edited) Given your continued loathing for me I take that as a pretty big statement about your feelings on the competency levels of the NPO.I may not like you, but I've always respected your intelligence for being the real thing.[ooc]And I've never really visited the gameplay discussion subforum.[/ooc] Say what you will, but NPO has been nothing but friends to us. Yes, because that means sooooooo much. Edited September 27, 2009 by Chron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinan Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 We're stagnating? lol....... But yeah this is good to see. They should have gotten rid of you years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhysicsJunky Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Yes, that was amusing. I want to know what the HELL gave them the impression that Fark would fall favorably to them. As you increasingly centralize information handling much less leaks out, on the flip side less information can be processed and make its way in. You risk crossing this barrier where there is much more information relevant to your alliance available in the game than you can collect with the number of people you have in the loop. When that happens you can start to enter some pretty elaborate pipe dreams by simply being unaware of all of the facts. If NPO had double the amount of people sitting around that table chances are one of them would have either 1) Caught the fact that the only connection between Fark and NPO was Dilber and an MDP signed mostly to avoid a war during the Van Hoo period or 2) Somebody would have had enough spare time to hang out with another crowd and stumbled across what was blatantly obvious in some circles. That goes for a lot of situations NPO has seemingly encountered. Intelligence structures can only be squeezed so far for operational security reasons. It's led to some of the more amusing moments in this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eden Taylor Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Ooh, there were some gems in here. I thoroughly enjoyed spending the time to read this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Moldavi Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 I just noticed the comments about NSO and how we "secretly" want to destroy the NPO. I find that funny. Primarily because Zha'dam was the primary point of contention between myself and the overall leadership apparatus of the NPO. I advised that he be removed several times over a period of a couple of years and firmly believe that without his cancerous influence in the BR with his excessive trolling, etc., that the Order would be a better place today and in much better position overall. With him gone the whole place seems nicer to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Say what you will, but NPO has been nothing but friends to us. I know. That's why I say you should watch your back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrnea Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Say what you will, but NPO has been nothing but friends to us. That's what GGA said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfox101 Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Interesting. Regardless, nothing too juicy was leaked. I guess we'll have to wait and see what else he chooses to leak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Style #386 Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 You could consider the full logs, it does have some stuff about ODN and you're mentioned by name, I think something about you and Vox/Blackstone . Cant recall now the exact details. I guess I'll get to that then *sighs* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Interesting. Regardless, nothing too juicy was leaked. I guess we'll have to wait and see what else he chooses to leak. I'm honestly hoping you'll praise him. I would lap up the irony it would be so delicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriekfreak Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 That's what GGA said. Didn't you get the memo? Invicta are the new GGA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 It's undoubtedly a biased viewpoint, but it was worth the time spent reading the logs. What really tickled me was just how wrong the NPO's idea on who would fall where for the Karma War was. (Incidentally, you'd have stood a much better chance with TOP and MHA if you hadn't held a Continuum meeting without them the day before the war.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 My favorite part was the nonsense speculation about NSO. I also found it interesting that Zha continually lambastes the FA team for getting it wrong while displaying a pretty stark lack of understanding about how the NPO/IRON relationship fell apart. In any case, going through all this subterfuge to get rid of Zha seems a bit unnecessary, since there was plenty of legitimate reason to remove him from power already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEraser Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 That's what GGA said. to be fair Invicta are smart, intelligent, and genuinely nice people. GGA... not so much, on all 3 counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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