raptorix Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I thought it would be nice to share this scheme with the CN community, this scheme gives a rating to your resources, this rating is based on my personall experience as trade circle builder of Fok, some resources are not that bad, but are hard to place in a tradecircle and thats why it's rating is lower, my believe is that you should always reroll if the combination is displayed as red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Begovic Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 nice display raptorix. I'm going to assume this is just for Orange, and say it'd be cool if other teams would share something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Furs and any of the Af Pop resources are WAAAY better than furs/marble. I'm skeptical of a lot of these combinations for that reason, such as gold/gems, as when they fit into a circle they are NOT worse than trade combos that do not fit into circles. If you want REALLY BAD try combinations like Spices/Lead where there are essentially no circles that take both those without sacrificing a major resource. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallfrog Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 (edited) cattle+lumber should be as good as aluminium+lumber surely. And fish+wheat I would expect to be higher. Edited February 11, 2009 by Smallfrog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Rooney Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 In the spirit of the game you should really just play the cards you're dealt. Making the best of a bad or good resource is a matter of timing and strategy - just ask all the people who had water six months ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naamah Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 no you shouldnt. If you are rerolling a nation, you should keep doing so until you get an acceptable trade set. "play the cards you're dealt" HAHA. yeah sure, see who will keep trades with you if you have something like furs and oil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirreille Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 So it's true, oil & water DON'T mix! According to that chart I should have considered re-rolling. Oh well. If people followed this advice sooner or later those bad resources would become scarce and then the values would change, wouldn't they? Would we really want everyone to have the same resource set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 In the spirit of the game you should really just play the cards you're dealt. Making the best of a bad or good resource is a matter of timing and strategy - just ask all the people who had water six months ago Water has always been a good resource. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHAYD Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Aw, does that mean I have to reroll because I have Oil and Uranium?... In RL, most of the modern nations can't live without oil. In CN, oil is considered bad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDave Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I have a 'red' trade I've never had a trouble keeping trades. Not when I was on Maroon, not when I was on Aqua and not now on Blue. I don't see how oil and coal is more acceptable than Gold and Iron. Gold isn't great but it has worked for me as a wilcard in 3BR. Oil and Coal you have to go 5BR and you need someone prepared to accept two environment harming resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryptamine Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I'm very skeptical of this chart; in fact, I don't even agree on some of the extrema. For one, it seems to totally neglect the AP+FJ+St BG set, which is one of the highest income arrangements in the game. What were the criteria upon which you based this? Does it stand upon some sort of mathematical rigor, or is it more of an "in my experience" construct? It's a good idea, and I like the way that you presented it, but I think the actual assignments need to be reconsidered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steodonn Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Woot I have green Excellent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lehran Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I agree with Tryptamine. It's a good concept but it reads like you've had bad experiences. I have Aluminum and Furs and have never had trouble maintaining a 3BR + fish. It doesn't really come TOO much better than that. Plus you're very hard on lead, but it helps on military upkeep for large nations and gives them access to scholars. Perhaps just tone down the ratings on some of them. There are some combos that aren't ideal, but very few that are so 'very bad' that they can't be fit into a circle. For the record, I have set up more than 10 circles so I do have some experience in this area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaone Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I'm very skeptical of this chart; in fact, I don't even agree on some of the extrema. For one, it seems to totally neglect the AP+FJ+St BG set, which is one of the highest income arrangements in the game. What were the criteria upon which you based this? Does it stand upon some sort of mathematical rigor, or is it more of an "in my experience" construct? It's a good idea, and I like the way that you presented it, but I think the actual assignments need to be reconsidered. This is Raptorix opinion as a former FOK trade circle builder, in FOK we don't aim at the set you're describing, as the main goal will be a 3br set and as that isn't possible he starts up an 8br set. If a player is very active he can temptrade once every 19 days to get a temporary collection set. To all people above me describing they have red natural resources but a good circle, even with lead and wine you can find a good trade set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecoli73 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 -> To all people above me describing they have red natural resources but a good circle, even with lead and wine you can find a good trade set. Yes, but that will require some sacrifice from their trade partners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwish959 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Uranium is only green with Aluminum, Iron, Marble, Lumber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritas Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Yeah I have to agree some of these setups are marked as poor when they will fit in quite nicely with good combos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Cao Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) I can respect that some combos will be harder to fit into ideal TCs than others, but I suspect that the above chart is based on some kind of game theory assumption than nobody will accept a tradecircle short of the best they can manage with their own resources. The reason this fails is because many people prefer to to compromise slightly on tradeset to gain the stability of trading with people they can trust, and the safety from sanctions that comes from trading in-alliance. If everyone went for the totally optimum tradesets then it would be utterly impossible to achieve this. I have oil/water which should be a re-roll according to the chart yet I'm very happy with my tradeset. My combo is not a standard one but it's a slight variant on a common one and works out better than the majority of tradesets in terms of pop, military and income, and is not hugely short of the AP set in terms of pure income. And at the same time it's fully within the pink team, and composed of immediately and close allies. Edited February 12, 2009 by Chairman Cao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorix Posted February 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 As said this scheme is based on PERSONAL expierence, indeed some resource sets are in theory very good, but hard to place in tradecircles. I have Gold and Furs, which is one of the wordt sets you can have, i was very lucky that i could complete a set 7 (max income) set, but normally gold and furs are hard to place. It can be that i did under/over rate some combo's i filled the sheet in about an hour and already saw some mistakes, i will soon try to update the sheet. When i had to start over, i would definitly reroll till i had at least Marble, Lumber or Fish(most combos) , they are ALWAYS the hardest recources to find, in almost EVERY set (except set 7). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hickersonia Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) I'm comforted to see that my nation's resources are "excellent" according to your chart. Edited February 12, 2009 by Hickersonia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorix Posted February 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I'm comforted to see that my nation's resources are "excellent" according to your chart. Lumber and Pigs is an excellent combination, perfect for a TC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOONS Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Furs is one of the best resources by its self 3+ income ain't bad and there's 1 trade circle which Fur is needed and its a good trade circle so I would hope people stop undermining Furs as a bad resource. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryptamine Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 the main goal will be a 3br set and as that isn't possible he starts up an 8br set. I see this to be flawed. In my experience, there is almost always a superior alternative to 8BG. I have Gold and Furs, which is one of the wordt sets you can have, i was very lucky that i could complete a set 7 (max income) set, but normally gold and furs are hard to place. It's been almost a year now since Affluent Population was made into a desirable bonus resource, and your resources are perfectly cut for an AP+FJ+St circle. At lower levels, this is optimized by resource swapping to pay bills and to buy infra, but this just requires a decent network of temp traders. I have Aluminum/Wine, which you have listed as an excellent combination. It worked well in my early days of playing, as it supported a nearly perfect 3BG setup. However, when the time came that I needed a constant uranium trade, my arrangement was less than ideal. Upon switching to AP+FJ+St, my net income increased significantly, and if I ever decide to purchase more infra, I'm two trades away from an optimal setup for it. My resource set begins strong, but for a nuclear nation I'd place it between light green and neutral by your rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janax Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Water-Rubber is terrible? I've never had issues with an 8BR to start, and then the superior 5BR with Fish+Cattle+Uranium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorix Posted February 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Water-Rubber is terrible?I've never had issues with an 8BR to start, and then the superior 5BR with Fish+Cattle+Uranium Well terrible is little bit over the top, would say its a medium set, water is good, but rubber is not too popular. People seem to forget that 80 percent of the tradecircles are set 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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