CNRP OOC Thread

[Evangeline Anovilis]

Btw, if the unlikely case exists that anyone needs anything of me, I'd suggest a PM. I'm not going to be on IRC much these days, but I am somewhat active.

[Kankou]

I like my new avatar.

[Evangeline Anovilis]

It certainly has its adorable side. And it is a bit different from your last one...

[iKrolm]

Autonomous organic air units

How far off am I, Triyun? Edited May 26, 2013 by iKrolm

[Triyun]

Quite far.

Edited May 26, 2013 by Triyun

[Markus Wilding]

OOC: I still find those losses to be unacceptable.

I don't exactly know what to say to this, really. Twenty BMPs is a lot to have damaged, and that can mean either the armor is shot, making it an easier target, or the main gun is damaged, giving it no way to defend itself, or it's completely inoperable, meaning the troops now have to hope they can outswim bullets to get to shore, assuming they can even get out before another missile or tank round hits it anyway. That's 7 troops per BMP, which is quite a lot that are vulnerable. This isn't even taking account the twelve other BMPs I counted as lost, meaning annihilated beyond rescue and repair.

 

I guess what I'm not understanding is, what exactly is hitting my BMPs? Is it just missiles, is it just the tanks, or is the Luftwaffe coming at them as well? I can't discern what's coming from where.

[Zoot Zoot]

I just want to say that im getting sick of people referring to my damn country as the confederacy. It aint been the CSA for quite a while now.

[Evangeline Anovilis]

I just want to say that im getting sick of people referring to my damn country as the confederacy. It aint been the CSA for quite a while now.

Well, at least you weren't called Frogs or Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys or otherwise ridiculed that much, despite being the South.

 

Also, I never remember what the second S stands for in PSSA. People's Socialist States of America? If so... I'd rather stick with Confederates, because neither can I call you the People, nor the Socialists (though I used that one at times, in my Faraway narrative), nor the States.... and surely not America.

[Evangeline Anovilis]

Hey just a note, cause I just noticed it, but I've RPed naval forces on the entrances to the Pacific Ocean to deny access to other nations I don't want in (which is everyone whose not my ally), especially SSBNs.  Zoot really shouldn't be firing SLBMs from the Pacific without giving me a chance to shoot his submarines for entering my Ocean.

What is the policy for surface combattants?

 

And also, I know one needs a license to use the Panama canal for military purposes, but am I correct in that I don't need more than maybe a toll for civilian ships?

 

I'd like to ask, not as much because I'm actually sending ships (neither reason nor basing present), but out of curiosity, as two or three battleships in Somalia (and therefor in the Indian Ocean) were one of the few official reasons given why Croatia got attacked.

[Triyun]

I maintain a policy of calculated ambiguity in regards to surface ships, there's a decent chance I'd torpedo a aircraft carrier I find annoying though.  A corvette I care less.  Civilian ships are allowed through if they pass inspection.

[Voodoo Nova]

Lynneth, on 20 Jun 2013 - 21:21, said:

    "Wherever from you may get the idea of the Darién Gap being an insurmountable barrier, you may wish to brush up in history and resulting geographic changes. A considerable time ago, the Imperium of America (later 'Holy American Empire') controlled most of the continent. Panama City was their capital, a sprawling metropolis. During this time, they ha dto connect their capital to the rest of South America - as a result, the marshes that you claim to be in our territory in that region are nearly nonexistent while there are two well-maintained roads into the South American continent and who knows how many have fallen into disuse.

    We most certainly are not trying to 'exert influence' in South America. For that matter, we would like to inform you that we have extended operations to find information about the origins of the drugs into Nicaragua and Honduras, despite these two regions having only the approximate expected rate of drug use and abuse in the USCA."

    OOC: I subscribe to the idea of IC history playing part in shaping our world's landscape, and the HAE -did- have the Imperial Capital centered on the Canal. I find it reasonable that this SA-encompassing nation would have built roads and pumped the marshes dry to facilitate easier access.

 

If IC history is being played, then the most recent incarnation of the region takes precedence over Shadowsage's city from x amount of years ago. I never RP'd that city. I RP'd it as it was IRL, as did Shammy. His city has been white-washed, and your claiming it out of convenience at this point. When it comes to the gap, I see it without Shadowsage's city.

Edited June 21, 2013 by Voodoo Nova

[Tanis777]

I would like to point out what Curristan did on the Columbian side of the Darién Gap was heavily fortified during the recent time when it was controlled by Peru.  The build up of walls, guard towers and land mines occurred just after I took over Mexico the second time.

 

Relevant link: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/114864-republic-of-peru-actions-and-news/?p=3127560

 

- Two Mile deep Minefield, utilising M18 Claymore Anti Personnel Fragmentation Mines, MON-200 Anti Personnel Mine, TM-62M Anti Tank Mines and TM-89 Anti Tank Mines. The Minefield would be periodically patrolled and the Mines replenished when needed.

Then there is a Ten Foot High Wall, with access doors that can be opened only from the other side. The Wall utilises Reinforced Anti Tank Barriers, Infra Red and Night-Vision Detectors with Guard Towers behind the Wall spaced every Five Metres.

- Behind the Wall is an Eight Mile Deep Military Zone. This zone is to be constantly patrolled by the Federal Peruvian Military. It includes a Large Forward Air Base with a standing Federal Peruvian Air Force Presence. 

Defences inside the Military Zone there are S-300PMU2 Long Range Surface to Air Missile Systems Sites, some newer S-400 Long Range Surface to Air Missile Systems Sites are also present. 

A Garrison of around Thirty Six Thousand Soldiers plus Sixty Thousand Permanent Technicians are active in the Zone at one time.

The Zone is also home to Three PAVE PAWS Phased Array Radars to track all Air, Land and Sea Traffic.

 

 

Even though most of that is gone, the wall and the vast minefield would still exist to a great degree, especially the minefield.  Just saying.

Edited June 21, 2013 by Tanis777

[Kankou]

I would use reasonableness for this. Since whatever was done in the Holy American Empire would have been rubble by now, I don't see how one could RP it. Also, we have to remember that the capital of HAE was nuked to kingdom come in the downfall.

[Lestari]

I would use reasonableness for this. Since whatever was done in the Holy American Empire would have been rubble by now, I don't see how one could RP it. Also, we have to remember that the capital of HAE was nuked to kingdom come in the downfall.

I made a point of pointing this out in the thread in question. Between that, the aforementioned wall and minefield, and the still-nigh-impenetrable nature of the land itself, crossing the Darien Gap is probably even more difficult than if it were as it were RL.

[Evangeline Anovilis]

I would use reasonableness for this. Since whatever was done in the Holy American Empire would have been rubble by now, I don't see how one could RP it. Also, we have to remember that the capital of HAE was nuked to kingdom come in the downfall.

Well, given Lynneth claims a street and dry marches, I'd argue that these things do not just completely vanish. The Romans cut down trees in their Empire and built streets. Over a thousand years later you could still see a visible difference between France, Italy and Spain (though the Spanish also deforested their country for Galleons) and Germany or Poland. And some streets that were built in modern times are on the basis of streets of these ancient times. While I'd guess a highway would not be a highway anymore, it surely would not vanish completely.

[Captain Enema]

The climate and location differences alone make that unlike in an area like the Darien Gap. You don't put a road in the Darien Gap, you put a road on borrowed time and invest massively in it staying for the long term. Further, people in Europe had a vested interest in the Roman road system after the fall of the Roman Empire. There really hasn't been the same thing in northern colombia.

Edited June 21, 2013 by Tidy Bowl Man

[Evangeline Anovilis]

The climate and location differences alone make that unlike in an area like the Darien Gap. You don't put a road in the Darien Gap, you put a road on borrowed time and invest massively in it staying for the long term. Further, people in Europe had a vested interest in the Roman road system after the fall of the Roman Empire. There really hasn't been the same thing in northern colombia.

While people had a vested interest maybe in some very important roads, it isn't really as if they did a great deal to maintain the roman system for the first few hundred years. Now, it has not even been one century since the HAE fell and given I assume that the measures taken to dry up the area were made for a lasting nature, it is not like the terrain would immediatly fall back to its original state, if noone reflooded the area. I still doubt that a highway, even after a few decades in which it was not used to great extent, would vanish completely. This is a highway, not some dirt road. I'd expect it to last at least a 50 years without becoming impassable to most vehicles. And even therafter it'd be still good enough for a landrover.

[Lestari]

While people had a vested interest maybe in some very important roads, it isn't really as if they did a great deal to maintain the roman system for the first few hundred years. Now, it has not even been one century since the HAE fell and given I assume that the measures taken to dry up the area were made for a lasting nature, it is not like the terrain would immediatly fall back to its original state, if noone reflooded the area. I still doubt that a highway, even after a few decades in which it was not used to great extent, would vanish completely. This is a highway, not some dirt road. I'd expect it to last at least a 50 years without becoming impassable to most vehicles. And even therafter it'd be still good enough for a landrover.

Not if it got destroyed back in the war. Which it, quite (in)conveniently, did.

[Evangeline Anovilis]

Even if it got nuked... a street cannot get much flatter and I think whatever rainforest there was took more damage than this construction. At worst, one could say it is too irradiated to be passable, but then, this is CNRP, where decontamination is not too hard.

[Captain Enema]

Decontaminating one of the most inhospitable swamps in the world? Why would anyone bother where there are far more gentler places to go die from your radiation burns? 

[Centurius]

Considering all the elements, past rp and in general the way history has works in CNRP I have to agree with the South American position that the road is gone and the Gap is very much the way it is in real life if not worse.

[Yawoo]

Just a heads up to Zoot and Kankou, I haven't forgotten our threads. I've been rather busy the last couple days, but you can expect a reply from me either Sunday or Monday. 

[Kankou]

Not a problem, take your time.

[Voodoo Nova]

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/117214-investigating-columbia/

 

Colombia is the name of the country. Columbia is not.

[Kevin Kingswell]

Apologies for the mistake and thank you for bringing it up.