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29 minutes ago, pjk11 said:


You heard it first here folks,  Alexio has the inside scoop!   WAPA has been doing more than "very little" more to follow.

Fair to say WAPA  has been doing a lot over the last week or so as your nation has experienced so best your time would be better spent trying to re-build your nation and building  alliance bridges rather than flaming the embers.   White peace all round....lets leave it at that. .nuff said.

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40 minutes ago, pjk11 said:


You heard it first here folks,  Alexio has the inside scoop!   WAPA has been doing more than "very little" more to follow.

Just because they choose not to socialise with you does not class them as doing very little. If you actually bothered to read what I put, and comment uselessly you would understand. But I'll clarify again you are not someone that can determine what is seen as very little. Everyone has their own description of it. But I guess trying to put that to the peanut gallery is pointless.

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4 minutes ago, Alexio15 said:

Just because they choose not to socialise with you does not class them as doing very little. If you actually bothered to read what I put, and comment uselessly you would understand. But I'll clarify again you are not someone that can determine what is seen as very little. Everyone has their own description of it. But I guess trying to put that to the peanut gallery is pointless.


Well I for one figured they chatted with some people, maybe they do it more than I think but even still.. the amount an alliance does is somewhat quantifiable. I know FTW is not at the top because we don't socialize a whole lot and our in-game activity while good is not as great as say Umbrella. (Umb is obviously one of the top alliances in doing stuff) The fact that virtually all WAPA does is socialize some, and I really mean virtually there - they literally do next to nothing in-game.. definitely puts them well into the lower tiers of doing stuff.

That being said I suppose it is subjective whether doing very little is perceived as bad. I've never cared for it. (and I can prove that with historical documents) So I guess this is just conflict naturally playing out. Personally I had fun and I hope everyone else did too. :)
 

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The entitlement class of supposedly doing stuff in this world has generally been the product of chest puffing nonsense. It's even less applicable in frickin 2017. Self assurance about your position in a circlejerk is high school level ingroup outgroup horse pucky.

 

And certainly, if you intend to live by the sword of content creation; your sword had better be very sharp and difficult to point at yourself.

 

EDIT: Also this idea that you may have been willing to do something gets you no credit if the standard is actually doing something, Canik. Actions speak louder than the thoughts no one else knows about.

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5 hours ago, Auctor said:

The entitlement class of supposedly doing stuff in this world has generally been the product of chest puffing nonsense. It's even less applicable in frickin 2017. Self assurance about your position in a circlejerk is high school level ingroup outgroup horse pucky.

 

And certainly, if you intend to live by the sword of content creation; your sword had better be very sharp and difficult to point at yourself.

 

EDIT: Also this idea that you may have been willing to do something gets you no credit if the standard is actually doing something, Canik. Actions speak louder than the thoughts no one else knows about.


Well for something that is chest puffing nonsense and immature you seem to care a fair deal about it. 

"Also this idea that you may have been willing to do something gets you no credit if the standard is actually doing something, Canik. Actions speak louder than the thoughts no one else knows about."

You almost say that as if I had bragged that FTW joined the losing side of curbstomps all the time. I didn't and I wouldn't expect anyone to have that perception of us at this time. However, people shouldn't assume I've systematically dodged every war that could cause real damage either if they do they are wrong. I wouldn't blame them much for having that perception although I would think it foolish of them to hold the opinion so strongly and be so sure of it with the little information they have. I mean, are you SURE I've systematically dodged wars or could it just be things like, you know.. allies saying they want us to stay out or try diplomacy first and then the diplomacy working. What proof do you have that it's been systematic I've been unwilling to enter any war like that? You must have a lot of proof to be so sure.

 

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nice congrats on peace WAPA...:D

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I'm saying that given the large numbers of alliances and people that have done and continue to do more than you, this righteousness which is as unto filthy rags routine is tired and sad. There's certainly no requirement to get rolled to be consequential, but nearly every alliance that has been rolled in the last three years has legitimately provided more content than you have. If you are going to express disdain for others based on qualities you yourself share, the inanity of doing so is going to be noted.

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3 hours ago, Auctor said:

I'm saying that given the large numbers of alliances and people that have done and continue to do more than you, this righteousness which is as unto filthy rags routine is tired and sad. There's certainly no requirement to get rolled to be consequential, but nearly every alliance that has been rolled in the last three years has legitimately provided more content than you have. If you are going to express disdain for others based on qualities you yourself share, the inanity of doing so is going to be noted.


I am not expressing disdain for others based on qualities I share. FTW has been amongst the most active alliances recently in terms of trying to build our alliance. WAPA has not. On top of that we do provide some content via treaties, political dynamics, socialization and controversy such as this incident. We are not amongst the most active there but we still do some. I'd say were close to middle of the road there, give or take. 

Now you may not like my style. It can make me appear like an ass (or other negative things) at times and to some extent I may be an ass/those things. But that same attitude has done a lot to help us maintain our activity over the years. I have expressed the same disdain for my own alliances when they have started to fall into inactivity. For a while I left FEAR with some very harsh words because they were not meeting my expectations. So don't think I don't look at my own alliance with the same judgement, I do.

Though I am not perfect and on occassion I have made unfair or hypocritical criticisms but I recognized it and would either apologize or drop it generally. I'm pretty self-aware, reasonable, etc. If you think I am in dire need of a lesson in humility you are mistaken. I'm about as humble as I'm going to get. And if or when FTW ever becomes a dead husk I will not be criticizing other husks. I will either shut up or move on. But we aren't a husk yet, baby. :)
 

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I don't care if you're an ass or not honestly. I just think don't much of the hypocrisy of claiming to disdain inactivity and lack of content provided while your alliance are not even at the average standard for those things.

 

As for being an inactive, demotivated husk, the insight I have on that comes from your own mouth last year.

 

EDIT: as for trying to claim the mantel of generating controversy from this incident, you were a reactive late comer to the event and WAPA beat you there well before you ever tried. This paints WAPA as having been more proactive than you so that's really quite an odd laurel to have tried to rest on.

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A couple things there Auctor:

First I didn't claim to specifically disdain lack of content. I didn't bring the word content into this, you did. My main concern is activity plain and simple. 

Second, FTW is most certainly among the average for those things. Our aid slot usage has dropped with this war but it has been 40-55% for about 6 months. For a while we were.. I think it was the 6th most active in aid slot usage. How is that not well above average? 

Third, yes earlier last year we started to fall into inactivity and I was not happy about it. I don't know if I fully expressed my unhappiness about it to you, a foreign leader I did not know real well but you think I was sharing it with you to brag or what? You really don't think I had disdain for our inactivity at the time?

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If your point is merely about internal community activity, it's probably not the best criticism either for various OOC reasons.

 

Seriously though, try and explain how FTW was more proactive in generating this event than WAPA was. You didn't post a thread, which is supposedly one of the reasons you thought it was ok to involve yourself, and you couldn't even be bothered to read the OWF for two days if we're buying your own story. You claim you couldn't be bothered to do basic research about it via publicly available records and all this is supposed to reflect some lapse of activity on WAPA's part. This is just the wrong event to bring that snide remark to and you are the wrong person to make that case.

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When I said we add some controversy like in this event I only meant we added to it not that we generated it all or the whole event. I didn't post a thread because no one else had not because I thought it would improve the 'okayness' of my involvement. And I never said any of that reflected WAPA inactivity. 

Maybe it was the wrong place for a snide comment. Disagree that I would be an inappriopiate person to make it, although not the best person to make it, sure.

 

 

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You certainly said before that since WAPA hadn't posted a thread previously, that your involvement was warranted in some way. Considering that FTW also didn't post a thread, had literally nothing to do with creating this event, became involved under easily discoverable false pretenses, launched fewer outgoing wars in a 3 day period than a supposedly less active, vastly smaller managed to in a similar period of involvement initially, and your strongest justification essentially amounts to you not bothering to do a modicum of extremely easy research to discover the genesis of this conflict, it's hard to see how this is some kind of great illustration of the values of FTW's proactive management of the world around it.

 

Quite honestly, I would not have considered us naturally opposed to one another heretofore. I'm just not seeing any kind of introspection in evidence, I can understand why this incident would be embarrassing for you and why you would feel a need to save face. What I do not truck with is the hypocrisy of completely screwing the pooch and then attempting to paint the people who were actually in the right here as somehow inferior to you because they were not out there making your mistakes instead.

 

Wholly on top of which, I've never cared for this culture that somehow feels it can create a hierarchy of perceived value based on nebulous "contributions" to the greater drama fest of this world. I've seen a lot of people who generated content that did a lot to damage this world and I have seen a lot of people that shepherded those that were less involved accomplish things that changed the dynamic dramatically and caused paradigm shifts in the political atmosphere. It's true that some alliances have more skill and more organization than others and that some have a stronger ability to mobilize their resources in a more complete way than others. The definitions of who is good and who is bad have always been subjective to the point of nonsensical and at no time is this more apparent than today.

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36 minutes ago, Auctor said:

Wholly on top of which, I've never cared for this culture that somehow feels it can create a hierarchy of perceived value based on nebulous "contributions" to the greater drama fest of this world. I've seen a lot of people who generated content that did a lot to damage this world and I have seen a lot of people that shepherded those that were less involved accomplish things that changed the dynamic dramatically and caused paradigm shifts in the political atmosphere. It's true that some alliances have more skill and more organization than others and that some have a stronger ability to mobilize their resources in a more complete way than others. The definitions of who is good and who is bad have always been subjective to the point of nonsensical and at no time is this more apparent than today.

 

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That is a lucid, intelligent, and well thought out observation.

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3 hours ago, Auctor said:

You certainly said before that since WAPA hadn't posted a thread previously, that your involvement was warranted in some way. Considering that FTW also didn't post a thread, had literally nothing to do with creating this event, became involved under easily discoverable false pretenses, launched fewer outgoing wars in a 3 day period than a supposedly less active, vastly smaller managed to in a similar period of involvement initially, and your strongest justification essentially amounts to you not bothering to do a modicum of extremely easy research to discover the genesis of this conflict, it's hard to see how this is some kind of great illustration of the values of FTW's proactive management of the world around it.


No I did not say since WAPA hadn't posted a thread that our involvement was warranted. I never provided our justification for us entering really. I didn't see a need to. Though I should've said we're building a wall around white team or something. Or just posted a Doomsday clock. You haven't seemed to have such issue with those reasons for war.


As far as this being "a great illustration of the values of FTW's proactive management" (more words I never said, btw).. I only mentioned this incident as one we added some content to and which I'm still adding content to this very moment.
 

3 hours ago, Auctor said:

Quite honestly, I would not have considered us naturally opposed to one another heretofore. I'm just not seeing any kind of introspection in evidence, I can understand why this incident would be embarrassing for you and why you would feel a need to save face. What I do not truck with is the hypocrisy of completely screwing the pooch and then attempting to paint the people who were actually in the right here as somehow inferior to you because they were not out there making your mistakes instead.

 

Wholly on top of which, I've never cared for this culture that somehow feels it can create a hierarchy of perceived value based on nebulous "contributions" to the greater drama fest of this world. I've seen a lot of people who generated content that did a lot to damage this world and I have seen a lot of people that shepherded those that were less involved accomplish things that changed the dynamic dramatically and caused paradigm shifts in the political atmosphere. It's true that some alliances have more skill and more organization than others and that some have a stronger ability to mobilize their resources in a more complete way than others. The definitions of who is good and who is bad have always been subjective to the point of nonsensical and at no time is this more apparent than today.

 

Content is what makes the world interesting, good or bad, which makes most content good and worthy of appreciation. No content is boring and whatever damage we've taken from bad content pales in comparison to the damage no content would cause. 

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On 5/14/2017 at 7:08 AM, Noctis Lucis Caelum said:

There is no precedent for it being a valid CB to hold a grudge over an old raid and use it as a reason to attack whenever you want later without even speaking with the other alliance.

 

I remember once GATO got attacked by OFS over some old shtuff....while GATO was in the middle of a massive beatdown by 1V....no less. They didn't get shredded because it was old stuff they got shredded in the court of public opinion for it being ridiculously opportunistic....and since GATO didn;t completely suck even then....they actually surrendered to GATO....they disbanded soon after out of humiliation...

 

There is no point or moral....I just love that story....love that story.

 

Oh...also GATO was being hit by 1V in the first place over some really old !@#$ involving "rulers" that didn't even exist anymore.... Talk about precedent... You can get hit for any reason or even no reason....and no one owes you anything.

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10 hours ago, Auctor said:

 

 

Wholly on top of which, I've never cared for this culture that somehow feels it can create a hierarchy of perceived value based on nebulous "contributions" to the greater drama fest of this world. I've seen a lot of people who generated content that did a lot to damage this world and I have seen a lot of people that shepherded those that were less involved accomplish things that changed the dynamic dramatically and caused paradigm shifts in the political atmosphere. It's true that some alliances have more skill and more organization than others and that some have a stronger ability to mobilize their resources in a more complete way than others. The definitions of who is good and who is bad have always been subjective to the point of nonsensical and at no time is this more apparent than today.

AKA Methrage and the LPCN 

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7 hours ago, Canik said:

Content is what makes the world interesting, good or bad, which makes most content good and worthy of appreciation. No content is boring and whatever damage we've taken from bad content pales in comparison to the damage no content would cause. 

This is also true. 

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Content creation is nice, but those that generate more content are not entitled to anything because of it. Unless people want to line up and give me free stuff, I guess.

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On 16/05/2017 at 5:03 PM, Franz Ferdinand said:

Of note, you went rogue and kicked everyone off the Praetorian Guard AA.

That is correct. I had considered posting about the matter but I have never announced anything historically and have had no overt desire to ever do so.

 

Your own post seems to be the only mention of those matters on these forums, so it is not as if what remains of the Cybernations community has very much interest in it.

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37 minutes ago, Idiotman said:

That is correct. I had considered posting about the matter but I have never announced anything historically and have had no overt desire to ever do so.

 

Your own post seems to be the only mention of those matters on these forums, so it is not as if what remains of the Cybernations community has very much interest in it.

If a tree falls in the woods but there is no one around does it make a noise? 

 

BTW I did find it interesting. But that didn't merit posting about it. 

Edited by Lucius Optimus

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10 hours ago, Idiotman said:

That is correct. I had considered posting about the matter but I have never announced anything historically and have had no overt desire to ever do so.

 

Your own post seems to be the only mention of those matters on these forums, so it is not as if what remains of the Cybernations community has very much interest in it.

Maybe it's because you are a comedy of errors, and think burying your head in the sand means people won't notice?

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2 minutes ago, Alexio15 said:

Maybe it's because you are a comedy of errors, and think burying your head in the sand means people won't notice?


As you reply with improper grammar.

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1 hour ago, pjk11 said:


As you reply with improper grammar.

If I was the leader of an alliance that just made a huge FA disaster and pissed off alot of major alliances with a war that was totally my fault, I wouldn't be going around "tough talking" to other leaders. It's a good way to get rolled. Just a heads up so you can't complain when it happens. 

 

 

How was my grammar?

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