Master Holton Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 With the recent [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/127275-goons-achieves-total-victory/]disbandment of long-standing alliance GOONS[/url], I'm sure more people than just myself began looking at our world in a truly cynical light. We have a very short list of alliances that contain more than 100 members. A quick glance at the [url=http://www.cybernations.net/alliance_all.asp?Page=1&Order=DESC&Field=Total_Nations]alliance listing[/url] might shock a few of you older players that might not have been watching too closely to the decline of our world. I'm here to discuss the light left in this world, not speculate or complain about its eventual end. There are 355 alliances on the listing as of this post. Could you list more than 20 alliances that you would consider active participants in our world off the top of your head? I probably couldn't. My point here is that while noble efforts are being made by a handful of people in a multitude of alliances to keep their AA alive and viable for the next global war, perhaps it's time for a cultural perspective change. Your inactive alliance may have once been great, and it will always provide for great feeling of nostalgia but for our world to continue to thrive and hopefully create a feeling of nostalgia for a new generation of rulers, we need to learn to recognize when to call it quits. Rather than try to breathe life back into a dead alliance, disband or resign from the alliance as individuals. Join an active alliance and let your old friends who only log in to collect taxes every twenty days continue to do so on a dead AA. We have so many groups that are barely breathing and disbandment is seen as a last resort after every other option is exhausted, and sometimes it isn't ever seen as an option. People would rather camp a dead AA rather than move and continue playing the political game. I hope this post at least sparks some conversation within a few inactive AA's in the hopes that the active players may better contribute to a wider world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 ^ Called it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Lead by example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pansy Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 This old body is still moving and shaking. I am the light of this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartfw Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I support this message. And Grub for Blue senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Go ahead. Haha! Sometimes a little war is important in rejuvenating inactive alliances into activity. It worked for SNX, we've had alot of formerly inactive or quiet members step forward and become the new officers with fresh mindsets and ambitions. I can't imagine that my officers would be nearly as active if they simply capitulated and merged into larger alliances... being part of established alliances is part of what killed their activity in the first place. The problem is when dead-weight (both in government and membership) is allowed to accumulate through stagnation... there are alot of alliances with overly-content governments who should be overthrown and replaced by more ambitious members. This isn't necessarily a function of size, but rather political establishment. SNX met a huge reactionary resistance when we overthrew the prior Imperium, and this reaction was in part motivated by the desire of the established political class to repress the producerist revolution. Because there is a growing fear that what happened in SNX will happen in more AAs. Disbanding Alliances isn't the key to improving this world, producerism is. The active must succeed the inactive, the ambitious must overthrow the content, the producer must kill the parasite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geerland Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Disband NSO right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 NSO is one of the carcasses dragging along, though. 2013 and 2009 are the only years I can recall thinking of NSO as "major."Have you resigned as an individual from NSO, Holton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hakai Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 All AAs should disband........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Moon Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 One small point: there are plenty of "active" alliances that still don't do shit except collect taxes and go to war when their more politically involved allies tell them it's time. Even if everyone from the unresponsive (truly dead) AA's joins these guys, we'll still end up with a system where a handful of alliances drive all the action. So if you're going to leave an alliance that's gone inactive, you might as well join one of the few AA's that aren''t just active but actual drivers of politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keelah Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 /me disbands Master Holton's alliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 /me disbands Master Holton's alliance.Now ya fucked up, Holton. You just got forcibly disbanded in 2015.That's when you know it's real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabonnobar Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 /me disbands Master Holton's alliance. Wow. Rude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margrave Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 /me disbands Master Holton's alliance. I mean you already disbanded GOONS, what's one more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 This thread got real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir pwnage Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 I'd join an active alliance but the only one I know of is Umbrella and they're full of smelly people. How do you recommend I proceed in that case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 I'd join an active alliance but the only one I know of is Umbrella and they're full of smelly people. How do you recommend I proceed in that case?Join Los Pollos Hermanos. We have an SPH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dajobo Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Polaris is plenty active! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOLO SWAG Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Prodigal Moon makes a great point. We have this incorrectly conceived notion that activity is the best thing for an alliance. Unfortunately activity doesn't always mean direction. I think all alliances should disband and then people who actually have agendas should draft all the active members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Prodigal Moon makes a great point. We have this incorrectly conceived notion that activity is the best thing for an alliance. Unfortunately activity doesn't always mean direction. I think all alliances should disband and then people who actually have agendas should draft all the active members. Why not simply have revolutions? Im sure there are many newer and more ambitious nations who could provide better direction than that of crusty old infra-huggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuri Dolgorukiy Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 I don't see why my alliance should up an disband. So long as a majority of folks want it around, it should remain as such. Dead or not. Besides, I just got here! :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 All alliances should disband and all the people should join GPA. Imagine all the people, living live in peace? You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope some day you'll join us and the world will be as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Prodigal Moon makes a great point. We have this incorrectly conceived notion that activity is the best thing for an alliance. Unfortunately activity doesn't always mean direction. I think all alliances should disband and then people who actually have agendas should draft all the active members. A very insightful thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Wally Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) Polaris is plenty active! .... you've sold me Daj.... next board of directors meeting we have at the NPL I'll raise this new fangled merger idea to the top of the agenda! All alliances should disband and all the people should join GPA. Imagine all the people, living live in peace? You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope some day you'll join us and the world will be as one. Get back in ya cage hippy! :wub: Edited August 31, 2015 by King Wally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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