Uberstein Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Yeah I'm in the Pacific Coast time zone atm, but I make sure to put roughly 20-24 hours minimum between the posts now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) Before I begin, because this will get just a little contentious, but note that I am only frustrated, not as much as at you as I am at the system and the situation it has caused. I appreciate all the work you do managing our map Lynneth and to a degree you have inherited certain problems with your position.. those are going to be detailed as I respond to your following statement. All legit, for the most part the same grandfathering applies as to Mogar. However, India is positively massive. I would appreciate very much if you were to integrate 'only' two provinces at most (the ones closest to current territory perhaps) and work on the others in time. The territory you're claiming has how many hundred million people? ~500-600 mil? Believe me, this isn't the end of the RP for India. I did the province by province thing as per your original request and rolled it out. You'll noticed I started north east and worked to south east. This is by far not the end of RP in this region for me. I still have to set up an OTH network and build in defenses, but I think my civil claim to governnance as I've set up a system of representation should be deemed legitimate. It's under control and stable, just still in development. I specifically mentioned each region I was working in with each post and nearer the end noted I was making changes over the entire region once the lower framework was developed. Right now there have been at least 14 rp mentions of the Indian development, even more if you count the number of times the 2nd fleet have passed in and out of it, not just the 7 posts I've posted to authenticate my claim and I feel it fair to request recognition that this area is now part of Druk Yul though integration will continue to progress.As for the population thing.. It really depends on how we measure population and there isn't really a consenus on that though thus far I've agreed that going by rl population counts is alright, fact of the matter is our states are wholly different than their rl counterparts.This will be the second time you have sent me back to the drawing board with a new set of instructions and it's beginning to get somewhat frustrating if it is not recognized.So what of my work so far? What have I earned by that?Let me be clear on this.. continuing to rp the region is not going to be a problem. THat's going to happen anyway. The problem is the amount of bureaucracy I'm being put through. I submitted my petition once, it was stated it was not in order. I did what was requested to correct it.. and now again I'm being told that it's not sufficient despite following specific instructions on how to make it sufficient. Getting weary of having to copy and paste all that notation at the end of my rp. Are you telling me it is going to require 21-28 posts to rp the integration of east India? Where is my cut-off.. when do I know I am done?With my SOI I could have started with well more area than I did, but I intended to rp out my expansion and now you're making me suffer for that choice. I was perfectly fine with the 7 post 14 day rule before people began adding their personal interpretations. Perhaps you should use SOI as a determinant to the ability of states to integrate given that there are states who voluntarily start under their SOI and intentionally inhibit themsleves.The problem I'm seeing here has nothing to do with population.. and everything with the 7 post 14 day rule. It was the intention of that rule to slow down, not halt, expansion. The flaw in it is it didn't specificy the size of land area that could be claimed per given 7 post 14 day period. Perhaps we need to look at that and get a community ruling on the square milage claimable during a given period of expansion rather than leaving it a subject of interpretation and speculation.For now, I have kept to the current rule and ask my claim be recognized. Edited August 15, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalissimo Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Note: This post is subject to regular editing. If you are unsure about any rules, ask the GMs. Current GMs are Lynneth, Rudolph, Biohazard. Protectorates will not be marked on the map, but I may make a list of them in this post.Link Player/nation list(last updated 9th August-ish) [spoiler]North America: Dillon1102 - Cascadia Mara Lithaen - Plains Federation PresidentDavid - Plains Federation Vedran- Federation of the Atlantic Lord Hershey - Palaven Empire Lynneth: Tikal Knights111 - Baffin Island Iamthey - New England Supercheese - United Caribbean StatesSouth America: Curristan - State of Rio de Janeiro Greywall - United Guyana Republic rok - Antarctic FederationEurope: Shave N Haircut - France Californian - Northlands Rudolph - Yugoslavia Lysergide - Sweden Markus Wilding - Alvonia Triyun - Greece Zoot - Nordboerne Kongedomme JEDCJT - Muscovy Euphaia - Hungary Mr Director - Belarus Yawoo - Spain King Timmy - Ireland(Ireland) Imperator Azenquor - Zapadnaya (Bulgaria) RIS3 4 WAR - Albania Horo the Wise Wolf - Prussia Evangeline Anovilis - Romania Aggressivenutmeg - CisalpinaAfrica: Biohazard - The Aidennic Council of Alexandria Yerushalayim - Great Lakes Republic Dragonshy - Dominion of the Severed Hand Uberstein - Federal Union of South African Republics Centurius - Carthage Voodoo Nova - Novak Jarl Frost - MadagascarAsia: Mogar - Imperium of Japan Jesbro - Principality of Shanghai Margrave - New Zealand Kevin Kingswell - Confederated States of Russia Zoot - The Babylonian Empire Maelstrom Vortex - Druk Yul Hereno - Sri Lanka Malatose - Persian Empire Chicago Noise - United Amur Republics [/spoiler] Protectorates [spoiler]North America White land - De jure under Tikal's Monroe doctrine Alaska, Yukon, British Columbia - Cascadia and Tikal South America White land - De jure under Tikal's Monroe doctrine Europe Masovia, Lublin, Podlaskie - Belarus (all Prot. in Poland) Baltics - Muscovy Crimea - Muscovy, Romania Turkey, Greece, Italy, Lebanon, and Syria - Sparta Africa African white space - African League (basically all African nations are in it) Asia Eastern Province, Makkah, Riyadh, Al Bahah Regions, Asir, Jizanand Najran Provinces - Novak Xinjiang - Druk Yul Malay peninsula down to Japan's holdings - SEATO [/spoiler] I'm on that map yet not player list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) #7 for Kamchatka As the bulk of your posts concerning Sumatra, peninsular Malaysia and parts of Thailand were made before my announcement of 'cleaning up', I'll offer you the same courtesy I did Cent, ie you will be permitted to annex all those areas this one time. I would ask, however, that you consider taking only Sumatra or Malaysia/Thailand, as the combined population of those territories exceed 70 million people. Entirely voluntary however, see the grandfathering I did for Cent. As further evidence I merely miscounted and was not attempting to abuse my position as mapmaker, I will elect to chose to annex Sumatra since it is a singular cultural, and logically would be easier to annex as I previously held control over one of the Islands largest cities. I would like an estimation and explanation of the required number of posts for the region I would be required to follow the new guidelines in order to add, which includes Malaysia and a small portion of Thailand, which according to Wikipedia, includes 8.7 million people. Edited August 15, 2014 by Mogar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Add Saxony to the map, please.Also, be aware that it is my intention to take all of the land of the Rhine that isn't currently someone else's... I couldn't figure out exactly what France/Alvonia/Northlands agreed to regarding that part of the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 I would like to note that The French sections of Snow Haven revert to France, I can dig for the logs of FHIC explaining her deal with Orleans if required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted August 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) Before I begin, because this will get just a little contentious, but note that I am only frustrated, not as much as at you as I am at the system and the situation it has caused. I appreciate all the work you do managing our map Lynneth and to a degree you have inherited certain problems with your position.. those are going to be detailed as I respond to your following statement. [Snip] For now, I have kept to the current rule and ask my claim be recognized. It was a request, and there was no need for you to get so defensive about it, Maelstrom. You could just have said 'Sorry, but no.' and have it left at that. Also, what your SOI was at start is completely and utterly irrelevant. How much you will post regarding the region is irrelevant to the rule. As for specifying the size of the land area, I quote from the old map's rules, 'Land expansion requires a minimum of 7 posts within 2 weeks, per RL country/province (whichever is applicable).' 'Whichever is applicable' to me meaning that large nations would be split into provinces for integration. I clarified all that, so people without the common sense wouldn't mistakenly take all of the USA, for example. But as said in my previous post, grandfathering applies, so you needn't worry. You're getting all of India. You'll have to start over in Sri Lanka though, as that was briefly a sovereign nation and needs to be re-annexed. I'm on that map yet not player list? Added you. Sorry. #7 for Kamchatka As further evidence I merely miscounted and was not attempting to abuse my position as mapmaker, I will elect to chose to annex Sumatra since it is a singular cultural, and logically would be easier to annex as I previously held control over one of the Islands largest cities. I would like an estimation and explanation of the required number of posts for the region I would be required to follow the new guidelines in order to add, which includes Malaysia and a small portion of Thailand, which according to Wikipedia, includes 8.7 million people. Thank you. As for the most efficient integration, Malacca, Negeri Sembilan, Putrajaya, Selangor combine 7,265,065 people. Kuala Lumpur, Pahan, Perak, Terenggamu, Kelantan combine 7,804,736 people. Penang, Kedah, Perlis combine 3,637,266 people, plus Narathiwat, Yala, Pattani, Songkhla, Satun, Phattalung combine 7,680,787 people. The other provinces up to Chumphon combine 4,849,529 people. So a total of 7*4 sections dedicated to integration, but not necessarily 28 posts, if split up like given as example in the OP. (Individually, they would require a staggering 168 sections to be integrated. This is what I'm saving everyone from through my interpretation of the rules. Tell me more about how I seized power and illegally 'changed' the rules. Oh wait, i can't hear you over how relieved everyone else is that they're spared from this BS.) [Pictar] Add Saxony to the map, please. Also, be aware that it is my intention to take all of the land of the Rhine that isn't currently someone else's... I couldn't figure out exactly what France/Alvonia/Northlands agreed to regarding that part of the region. Wilco. Update. Should have everything. As usual, inform me if I missed something. And a reminder, I will only process things I see posted here in this thread, usually with links to back it up. Also, not yet having heard back from Malatose and Voodoo, their additions are on hold for now, so don't be surprised about that. Edited August 15, 2014 by Lynneth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/122796-news-from-the-persian-empire/?p=3293580 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/122796-news-from-the-persian-empire/?p=3294342 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/122796-news-from-the-persian-empire/?p=3294886 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/122796-news-from-the-persian-empire/?p=3295484 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/122796-news-from-the-persian-empire/?p=3296092 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/122796-news-from-the-persian-empire/?p=3296561 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/122796-news-from-the-persian-empire/?p=3296867 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) Please add The United Kingdom of Great Britain to the map. Should include Britain, the Channel Islands, and the unmarked islands in the North Sea. Edited August 15, 2014 by Triyun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Which unmarked islands in the North Sea? asfaik, they are all claimed by either Ty or Lyser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 As they lie within my sphere of influence and aren't part of Northlands are they not mine to claim the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted August 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Which unmarked islands in the North Sea? asfaik, they are all claimed by either Ty or Lyser. Presumably the islands right north of the British Isles. Jan Mayen you're working on annexing atm, I believe, so that'd be out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Meh, Jan Mayen is in the arctic ocean, not the north sea :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 It was a request, and there was no need for you to get so defensive about it, Maelstrom. You could just have said 'Sorry, but no.' and have it left at that. Also, what your SOI was at start is completely and utterly irrelevant. How much you will post regarding the region is irrelevant to the rule.As for specifying the size of the land area, I quote from the old map's rules, 'Land expansion requires a minimum of 7 posts within 2 weeks, per RL country/province (whichever is applicable).''Whichever is applicable' to me meaning that large nations would be split into provinces for integration. I clarified all that, so people without the common sense wouldn't mistakenly take all of the USA, for example. But as said in my previous post, grandfathering applies, so you needn't worry. You're getting all of India.You'll have to start over in Sri Lanka though, as that was briefly a sovereign nation and needs to be re-annexed. I thought Hereno has that now. Did he quit again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted August 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 I thought Hereno has that now. Did he quit again? He's Saxony now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) Ugh.. Here we go again. Edited August 15, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 I only took Sri Lanka after saying that if I were to re-roll out, it should go back to being Mael's as it was. Nobody said anything at the time so as far as I'm concerned, Mael annexed Sri Lanka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) I want Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq. Name it "Iroq, Syriasly" Islamistan (Land of Islam) If I can't have that tell me how much land I have to buy to have that. Edited August 16, 2014 by Beauty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted August 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 I only took Sri Lanka after saying that if I were to re-roll out, it should go back to being Mael's as it was. Nobody said anything at the time so as far as I'm concerned, Mael annexed Sri Lanka. 'Going back to Mael' is turning back into his protectorate as far as I'm concerned. Rerolling turns your land white, and there has been no prior RP for an agreement in that vein as far as I'm aware. I want Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq. Name it "Iroq, Syriasly" Islamistan (Land of Islam) If I can't have that tell me how much land I have to buy to have that. Did you talk to Malatose? He's currently annexing some of those lands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 'Going back to Mael' is turning back into his protectorate as far as I'm concerned. Rerolling turns your land white, and there has been no prior RP for an agreement in that vein as far as I'm aware. Did you talk to Malatose? He's currently annexing some of those lands. No. I looked at the protectorates/lands and it wasn't on there. If he's annexing it and it's not done, is it reserved for him? Also jfc isn't he big enough or is he doing that Germany Empire thing again he did from CNRP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) It's a protectorate (Syria and Lebanon). Iraq has already beem 50% annexed and the rest is a protectorate that im currently annexing. Edited August 16, 2014 by Malatose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted August 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 No. I looked at the protectorates/lands and it wasn't on there. If he's annexing it and it's not done, is it reserved for him? Also jfc isn't he big enough or is he doing that Germany Empire thing again he did from CNRP? Not every protectorate is in the map OP. I can only put there what gets reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 It's a protectorate (Syria and Lebanon). Iraq has already beem 50% annexed and the rest is a protectorate that im currently annexing. Mind linking me please? If he can provide a link lynneth, That hasn't been edited, then I'll take Saudi Arabia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 Think he took the sauds as well sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) Think he took the sauds as well sadly. Jfc.... Yemen, Oman, Qatar, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, Turkey, Jordan. Just color whatever is on that list that isn't under a protectorate and put it under Islamistans names. I'm assuming by the way mael knows that there's a post so no need to link me. Edit: Nevermind do link me because I want to know the continents you're protecting. Edited August 16, 2014 by Beauty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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