Da DreadLord Posted December 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Quoting this before you edit it out... wow you really are a comedian. Of course, some of us handle issues like men, instead of running to other alliances and shutting down forums. When (if) TIO realizes what kind of moron they've left in charge and boots your ass, are you going to shut theirs down too? Your tears.. delicious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arentak Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Be careful, you might wear through my really thin skin pretty quickly. :( Now excuse me as I attend to the drool collecting on the bibs of our members. lol. Thanks WS, I can't get rid of this grin now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Your tears.. delicious Those aren't tears honey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ilyani Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Your tears.. delicious The quality of your retorts seems to be indicative of the quality of your leadership. I mean, it takes a real piece of work to make people look fondly back at my recent leaderships. But with you lot, where there's a will there's a way, right? Enjoy your coming weeks/months of war, I know we will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da DreadLord Posted December 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Oh there's lots of will.. and lots of ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kremlin Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 That's pretty sneaky, getting in a PM dig when more of your alliance is using it than we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus PDOX Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Welcome to the fray, gentlemen. Nothing wrong with defending your allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da DreadLord Posted December 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 That's pretty sneaky, getting in a PM dig when more of your alliance is using it than we are. I know! I had to wait till we had enough in PM before I could make it :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I'm just gonna leave this here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autosave36 Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I'm just gonna leave this here. Change we can believe in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schad Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I'm just gonna leave this here. 2014? Why wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Oh joy, we all get to sit around the campfire and analyze a treaty! Oh hello. So sorry if this took a while, but I've been a bit busy.. According to article 4 of the Plan B Accords, TOP managed to declare on TIO when it declared on NATO.. even if they tried to avoid us for some reason. TIO hereby acknowledges TOP's declaration of war. TIO also hates R&R for filling Skippy's slots >.> PS: I'm sorry if you don't find many targets TOP. We have been taking a look into your peace mode strategy.. so far, it's quite boring :/ You should bring out your nations to play with and I'll bring out mine ;) Sure, those AA's (the other signatories) consider themselves at war. It says nothing that indicates an external AA is DoW'ing all three when they DoW one of them. The second part doesn't say "declaration of war on TIO". According to the aforementioned Article 4, a declaration of war on a Plan B signatory is all that is required for TIO to recognize hostilities against the greater integrity of the bloc. Much as in any MDP treaty, as Centurius rightfully noted, this entitles TIO to act according to the customs of our world. In the case of this specific treaty, which is a bloc treaty with a stated supremacy, clause, TIO has every right to intervene in defence of NATO. Nowhere did TOP declare war directly on TIO, but that is irrelevant. What TIO's announcement effectively says is "we recognize TOP's declaration of war on the greater entity that is Plan B, and we therefore take military action". While I agree the wording is sloppy, and DDL would have been better served to write "managed... on Plan B" rather than "managed... on TIO" in the first part, I can't fault the spirit behind this announcement. In short, this is a situation TOP could reasonably have foreseen when declaring war on NATO, based on both the MDP nature of the NATO/TIO treaty and the bloc/supremacy nature of Plan B. That said, I'm sure TOP foresaw it and didn't mind. Happy warring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellBade Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I'm sure we all look forward to the continued mediocrity that is TIO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I believe this adequately describes my depth of feeling in the matter. Just wait until you see the flop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcortell Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Oh joy, we all get to sit around the campfire and analyze a treaty! The second part doesn't say "declaration of war on TIO". According to the aforementioned Article 4, a declaration of war on a Plan B signatory is all that is required for TIO to recognize hostilities against the greater integrity of the bloc. Much as in any MDP treaty, as Centurius rightfully noted, this entitles TIO to act according to the customs of our world. In the case of this specific treaty, which is a bloc treaty with a stated supremacy, clause, TIO has every right to intervene in defence of NATO. Nowhere did TOP declare war directly on TIO, but that is irrelevant. What TIO's announcement effectively says is "we recognize TOP's declaration of war on the greater entity that is Plan B, and we therefore take military action". While I agree the wording is sloppy, and DDL would have been better served to write "managed... on Plan B" rather than "managed... on TIO" in the first part, I can't fault the spirit behind this announcement. In short, this is a situation TOP could reasonably have foreseen when declaring war on NATO, based on both the MDP nature of the NATO/TIO treaty and the bloc/supremacy nature of Plan B. That said, I'm sure TOP foresaw it and didn't mind. Happy warring. So you agree that TIO has declared on TOP, and not the other way around? The war isn't as consequential, I'm sure, as to who declared on who.. for some other purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyster Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I keep reading stuff DDL has posted here and what he has posted before elsewhere. And i keep wondering why they collected so few votes in razzies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da DreadLord Posted December 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I keep reading stuff DDL has posted here and what he has posted before elsewhere. And i keep wondering why they collected so few votes in razzies. I was quite disappointed yes.. Better step up my game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyster Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Now that you ve done well sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) @bcortell: Depends on what you consider Plan B to be, i.e. whether an attack on NATO can be construed as a de facto attack on Plan B as a whole because ultimately TIO loses allocable NS out of the deal. If NATO and TIO are sufficiently joined at the hip, which the combination of their pre-existing MDP and the Plan B treaty makes them at least on paper... It's like if someone hacked into a bunch of bank records that include wiping the balance of someone's account who was about to give you a substantial gift, with the full knowledge that's what was happening - sure, your house hasn't been directly assaulted, but your interests have been injured enough for you to rightfully perceive hostility against you. "for some other purposes" ...well I don't see any other possible purposes here. I'm looking at TIO's Wiki page now and I can't find a single TIO MDP ally that could possibly be of concern to TOP. Edited December 16, 2013 by Max Power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sventington Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Hello everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 So by the end of this war, I'll be responsible for ODN, TIO, and have my flag, It's like Christmas came early(or late considering we'll be another month or so more than likely.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcortell Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 So by the end of this war, I'll be responsible for ODN, TIO, and have my flag, It's like Christmas came early(or late considering we'll be another month or so more than likely.) We'll just see about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 We'll just see about that. I was referring to on my AA, although I have no issues abusing my powers to force the losing coalition to pay whatever sum needed to bribe you into giving me a flag slot! it shall be their Christmas present to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrews Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Itt, enough e-lawyers to open up their own firm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berbers Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 The Usual Suspecteers One for all and all for one, !@#$%*es. PS: True love is trying to draw an ampersand in paint instead of using N <3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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