TwistedRebelDB47

It could be the hundredth time and I wouldn't be satisfied. The posts from this thread show that while years have passed, the message from Polar is still the same. A righteous stance on everything, some funny math and a load of loud mouths. It's like some kind of odd, reverse Napoleon complex. Kind of funny for one of the largest alliances that has regularly been a bully and on the winning side of the war.

Hey, I remember those names! Get 'em.

[quote name='berbers' timestamp='1298327464' post='2641009'] Exactly, you took the easy route by not attacking them. The hard route would have been attacking them... But thanks for the support... [/quote] My bad, I took your quote for "potential route" rather than course of action. Do I regret us not helping NEW full out? Somewhat. But I know I did my part, as did a number of the rest of Poison Clan's top ranks in making sure Fark got theirs for thinking they could push NEW around.

EDIT: Removed. [quote name='berbers' timestamp='1298323806' post='2640959'] They chose the hard route, much harder than PC's route in the NEW conflict. [/quote] Ummm... you know Fark was three times larger than Poison Clan, right? [quote name='Tautology' timestamp='1298325914' post='2640992'] RoK hit Poison Clan for pragmatic reasons. Of the 3 alliances that had declared on NpO at the time, VE had a treaty with us and some other alliances were taking on iFOK. FOK was coming in but they had strong ties to a couple of RoK's allies. By default, PC was all that was left for RoK. I know it's not a very romantic reason to ask you for a dance. Sorry. [/quote] It's okay. It's like why I had to settle on declaring on you. Really all that was left.

[quote name='berbers' timestamp='1298308886' post='2640720'] Oh silly me, I must have missed the part where PC actually fought on NEW's behalf... [/quote] Defending NEW by official Poison Clan declaration would have spun off a global nuclear war that had no positive results. The question isn't "are the odds against Poison Clan" - because we made it clear in BiPolar that if we can convince our allies to stay out, we'll go to hell for the one that's hit unfairly. Even then, FOK came riding in (And who didn't that was an ally of \m/? Oh right - Ragnarok). The question was "what are the odds for our allies" - because we [b]could not[/b] keep our loyal allies out. I learned first hand that winning a war is about timing and plead to NEW to listen with no success. So those of us who were willing joined ranks with our brothers from Indonesian mothers and gave Fark's top tier hell. Go ahead and ask them how much fun they had. Apparently so much they had to call in reinforcements! And before one of you calls timing "cowardly," go speak to one of your alliance leaders on war planning. Those same "iNEW" soldiers returned to Poison Clan and were the first nations to declare on Polaris. Then we got hit by STA, followed by by Ragnarok (and whoever the other little satellites were - who cares). Despite hitting an alliance already in anarchy, RoK allowed our wars to expire and we were able to turn our full focus onto RoK with our own aggressive declarations and the results are telling - a once 5 million NS alliance with twice our membership has a lower NS and score than Poison Clan now. Give it a couple days.. how many RoK nations do you think you'll find above 40k NS? All that matters to me is this: Four alliances ditched Poison Clan once upon a time and one extorted us on !@#$%^&* allegations. 1. The Phoenix Federation - Karma 2. Valhalla - BiPolar 3. Ragnarok - Whatever this war is called 4. GGA and MA - Disbandment Don't. $%&@. With. Us.

I swear to God, if my population per mile goes over 5...

Can we race FOK again for most DoW's like the last one!?

Let me preface that these are my thoughts and feelings, and not that of Poison Clan. I think the overall goals and motivations for Poison Clan have changed over the course of the past two+ years, as they will (and should) for any alliance as they grow and develop, change leadership, and more. There is a long history between that of Poison Clan and \m/ that cannot be forgotten. When Poison Clan was rejected by its former allies RoK, Monos Archein, GGA, and Valhalla (not entirely, but we had a feeling you were in on it), the founders of \m/ in RAD were the only ones who opened their arms fully to us and welcomed us to their sphere and allowed us to turn around as we did. It's unfortunate the way animosity grew prior to and following the \m/-Polar war, between Dark Templar and \m/, and eventually between Poison Clan and both parties. That history is twice as long with NEW. When Poison Clan formed it was always my goal to sign a treaty with NEW, but the treaty with TPF blocked that opportunity until near when I stepped down. I took that opportunity in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, even though I can be reckless, I know when there's a time to duck out and pay reps and get your revenge in the future. Sometimes pride gets in the way, and I know if it weren't for Chinatownbus, mine would have when TPF forced us to surrender. His idea however changed my perspective, and I was hoping the same message would be there for NEW as well, but they wanted action immediately. It put Poison Clan in a bad spot defending an ally who did something wrong in the public eye and refused to admit it. Now this is where I'm torn. They had an opportunity to give an "apology" and pay menial reps and walk away. If they apologized and still were forced to pay reps or were attacked, like we were with TPF, then I'd be mad as fire Poison Clan didn't join in. But I think their action to stay out was best in the interest of the alliance, and those who knew they had a pact with NEW regardless of situation joined to fight and returned home. So I'll put the blame on myself that during my waning days in power I established a treaty with an ally my personal history felt strongly about and let multiple alliances fall by the wayside as well. Sorry, \m/ and NEW. You guys were good allies. Hard headed, stubborn, and frustrating at times, but you were always good allies. Times change, philosophies change - and we parted ways, but you will have your friends here. Let's leave it on a good note.

[quote name='SirWilliam' timestamp='1295322891' post='2579905'] Sound logic there, partnuh. GOONS, like all other alliances waiting for counters and for escalation, are cowards. Go figure. [/quote] Basic military strategy doesn't seem to resound well with some folks. Just saw your nation and alliance, Lint, need to correct my previous statement. *Little boy

[quote name='Crazy Crazy' timestamp='1295321438' post='2579799'] Ok, now it is just a bit overkill. [/quote] Oh yeah, did that matter when Polar his \m/? What was that, 16 million strength vs. 2 million? [quote name='Wad of Lint' timestamp='1295318871' post='2579593'] Well, it's either GOONS are too cowardly to join, or PC are raging puppets. Take your choice. Either way, I'm glad to see that dogpiles are still acceptable. Next time I'm part of a hegemony, I'll have to remember to keep that tool in the ol' Craftsman box. [/quote] Boy got a big mouth lookin' for a fat lip.

Payback never felt so good. (Except against those Phoenix fellows!)

Wow, 90 days. That's really cool. Congrats on being a spectacular alliance.

[quote name='ali5541' timestamp='1294682166' post='2571155'] That can go two ways. [/quote] You go both ways? That's really cool if you're: [img]http://www.hotindienews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ali_larter.jpg[/img] Well, I hope this doesn't just end with SLCB being hilarious and SOS whining that SLCB didn't apologize well enough. What happens if I was a potato and then left the sack? Can I be fries on the side?

[quote name='Vespassianus' timestamp='1293732277' post='2558390'] You had only one target in this war who was outnumbered totally (6 vs 1) and you still cry? I know why do you cry, because you started the war with like 18k infra and only 500 mil. Join GPA bro. [/quote] Seems like a recurring theme from Fark. Docmeister was sour enough being on the "winning" end to send a PM of "you suck" and to call [i]me[/i] a coward in the recent conflict. Fighting multiple targets who are dealing with six wars of their own is too hard for you? Who knew Fark's top tier was a group of little girls! If you are so scared to fight a war, go to GPA. As Azaghul mentioned, they have been in one major one in four years. HollyWood - you should go ahead and take Docmeister and Wouldestous with you. Maybe you all can learn a thing or two on how to build your nation if you are STILL rebuilding from the Polar war.

I was going to quote and respond to Roquentin, but I think it's no longer worth my time. Our philosophies will never mesh, so there is no reason to try and debate. Congratulations on successfully giving Fark the you know what they needed. [quote name='Cataduanes' timestamp='1293618847' post='2557215'] Are you saying there is no victory in this war for FARK, TPE and INT? [/quote] What is your "victory"? Did you stop a raiding alliance from raiding? Did you sustain less damage than NEW? Did you prove any sort of military prowess during this affair? Did you make a resounding statement with your actions? Did you display some massive warchests? I could ask a dozen other similar questions. I think deep down you know the answer as well as I do. [quote name='Poyplemonkeys' timestamp='1293635858' post='2557325'] Only thing I don't really understand is why the nations [i]want[/i] to go back to their alliances who have policies and make decisions that they clearly disagree so vehemently with that they felt the need to leave them in the first place. [/quote] We should chat sometime today, Poyps.