Slayer99

I'm speaking for myself here and not my current alliance (where I'm just a member). I was not involved in TPF government since I returned to Planet Bob last year, so I can't imagine what circumstances could have possibly led TPF to be openly attacked by NPO. We didn't spy on them, we didn't speak ill of them. Other than our alliance to MI6, what sort of enmity could have existed that would have led NPO to attack an alliance that stood by them so fervently. As just a nation in the alliance I founded I guess I've had a couple of questions. First, NPO has always been a master of realpolitik. I can't think of what goal it could have accomplished in attacking TPF as anyone else could have openly attacked TPF the last war. Not attacking TPF would have left the door open to TPF coming back into the NPO fold. Instead, we get this...the death cry of an alliance. Secondly, if NPO would turn so easily on a long-time and loyal ally like TPF, is any alliance on Planet Bob really safe? I guess if you question the master privately and make some of your own decisions as TPF did in allying with MI6, you should be prepared to face the boot with little warning (and preemptively no less)...irrespective of any historical and longtime loyalty...because it's apparent that loyalty flows in only one direction...to the master. NPO is more untouchable now than in any time in its history. They're allied to 3 of the top 5 alliances and 5 of the top 10. I guess they can do whatever they'd like and not have to face any consequences.

That is something we can agree upon...

Since these are empty, I suppose I should come back to activity so someone can win them....I believe I won most hated player back in the day. :D

That is not the case. He was not framed. He was asked to step aside due to inactivity. He was very inactive (in fact, he was a day away from enacting a section of the charter which specified a Triumvir could be replaced due to inactivity when he logged in again). The inactivity made decision-making nearly impossible. Did he have misgivings after stepping down? Certainly...but Timlee was also a teenage kid at the time and I can't really blame him. Hence his meltdown on the OWF. We made peace and he rejoined TPF. Feel free to rewrite history if you choose...but what you are saying is untrue.

As I've said elsewhere.... It was NPOs prerogative to drop our treaty and they did so. Which is rather amusing in light of the fact they had no issue treatying alliances we weren't friendly to. But once the lap dog treaties someone they don't like, look out. Where I think TPF takes issue is that after years of blind loyalty...and mere months of cancellation of a treaty...of all the alliances to attack us in this war, Pacifica attacked us? Pacifica can spin it however they'd like...but the bottom line is if it could happen to their once most loyal ally, who is next?

That's true...I had been warned.

Hardly furious...better words would be shocked, disappointed, and flabbergasted.

Apparently it's all good so long as the meat shields do the master's bidding.... For 8 years, we had been allied to NPO. They sign treaties with a bunch of people we don't like. We sign one treaty they don't like then they turn around and roll us a couple months after they cancel on us? Seems like I made a horrible mistake in picking our friends if that's how fair weather they are.

If I wasn't back on Bob I would have heard...but I'm back and shocked and disgusted that of any alliance in this game, that Pacifica would attack us. We've made plenty of enemies...and I'll take credit for that. But despite the fact that Pacifica and TPF are no longer allies...for them to hit us is kinda shows me the kind of people they are.

While I am only a member in TPF and haven't been active since I departed Planet Bob many years ago...only to come back this year...I figured I should pipe up. TPF was a merger of COLD and TotalFarkistan. Pacifica gave us our start in TotalFarkistan. When we became TPF we stood by them again in The Initiative then the Continuum. We stood by them and them by us in multiple wars. We burned to the ground for them in Karma...and while we may no longer be allies, for them to take up arms against us without direct CB against them is nothing short of disgraceful. Anyone else could have hit us as part of this war but Pacifica? Words cannot fully express the disappointment I have at this point. I guess you've shown your true stripes.

I was asked to come back by my Evil Overlord just to shake things up (you know, being one of the most-hated players back in the day can do that)...but frankly I don't have the time or inclination especially since activity all over Bob is down. At my peak I was probably online 4-6 hours a day and was seriously burned out on the entire thing. I can't imagine even how to start again with activity all over so low. Now that I've been back about 8 months or so...I have to say I was kinda shocked at how much smaller Bob is these days. It's true that Bob isn't what it once was (maybe 1/3 or 1/4 of what it was). There was a time when you could hop on IRC and most every channel was busy. I've randomly popped into channels since I've come back and they're dead. Nobody even said, "Hey Slayer, DIAF." The only active channel I found was MI6. I remember when we had regular Skype calls with alliance leaders (sometimes politics, but mostly to BS). While I'm sure there's politics going on, backroom deals, and the like...nothing like it was. That being said that even in it's heyday, there was only 20-40% of an alliance that would be active on the alliance forums, here, or IRC. Now that Bob is that much smaller the amount of active players is that much smaller. Disbanding alliances isn't likely going to cure the problem...because in reality the only thing that would help is a huge influx of new AND active players which is highly unlikely. Most people are content paying bills, collecting taxes and waiting for the next war. OOC I'm not sure if there are any "better" geopolitical RP web games out there...or these games have fallen out of favor...or if Planet Bob has run it's course. It just is what it is.

Oh, you mean the link to his public photobucket account? Martens didn't have an issue with it (it was discussed on the podcast) so I don't know why you do. In any case, keep grinding that axe...I wasn't sure I how long I was going to stick around....but now I'm pretty sure I want to stick around if only to annoy the haters.

Actually, you never come out looking great...mostly because you've already flat out lied here....but whatever. I've already said on more than one occasion 5 freaking years ago that I was wrong when it came to the no-CB war. I never outed anyone's personal identity so don't even TRY to pretend I did. Don't even pretend that I was wrong about people like ThorVonMayhem...because that wasn't really isn't the point. The point should have been who cares, it doesn't matter. People are going to cluster in-game sometimes based on personal ideology and it really doesn't matter what that ideology was. THAT is where I was wrong. I don't owe you a personal apology and you're never going to get it. Hell, I even did a podcast with Kaiser Martens long after the fact where we were joking throughout. I worked behind the scenes to get him and others off of perma-ZI lists. You can keep grinding that axe and get over yourself. Let's just say we don't like each other and leave it at that.

Wow, you're back. You were always one of my favorite players even when we were at political odds. :)