If the position is idiotic, yet they have facts in it most of the time they are misapplying the facts or using some type of fallacy. If your side is the one with the correct logic and in line with reality your side is the correct one. The inability of your opponent to recognize he lost does not change the fact that you are right, it just means he is an idiot and shouldn't be trying to argue. Thrawn is also right, you rarely pull your opponent on your side, debates are for the people watching. Hopefully the people watching aren't persuaded by bad logic and bad evidence.