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Mars Base Base Effectiveness: 50% Location: 3.00000, -9.00000 (last month's 100% position) Mars Mine Mine Effectiveness: 50% Location: 10.00000, -30.00000

I approve this message. Onward, Pacifica.

-75.00000, -90.00000 yields 93%.

Now, we just need someone to compile the stats of the 18 or so alliances that ganged up on us...

And so begins a new era. Good fight.

I think most of us can agree that having 90% and up of your alliance active at all times is an utopian expectation. For those who don't, the facts bear this out anyway.

You don't understand. The current terms are unfulfillable. Reparations cannot be paid; conditions cannot be met. Refer to the links in my signature for why this is so. Our counter proposal should not be misconstrued as an effort to somehow maintain ourselves for a brutally efficient comeback. Rather, our proposal is a generous alternative to demands which are logistically and economically unreasonable. We understand very well that we have lost this war, and we are trying our best to come to a solution agreeable to all parties. Remember, we offered to pay substantially *more* than originally requested. There's been a lot of hot rhetoric from both sides as to how this or that is fair or not fair, but the truth of the matter is that the terms as they are are impossible to carry through with. Unless you advocate a complete dissolution of the New Pacific Order, you should be able to see why the terms cannot be accepted as they are. To reiterate this again: if we were to accept the terms as they are now, there would undoubtedly be righteous outrage as people find that we cannot carry out our side of the bargain.

I want to elaborate on a claim that fellow Officer Cortath said here, namely that meeting that 90% requirement of Karma is unreasonable. As reference, here is the term in question below: An analysis of Term #1: Based on tally done after the 6/10 update, we had 148 nations flying the New Pacific Order Alliance Affiliation that met the following conditions: 1. Nation was in peace mode. 2. Nation had no wars that expired 1 cycle ago according to the "Search Wars" tab. (i.e. no wars 7 days or earlier) 3. Nation had a flat or positive nation strength trend since mid May. After doing some background checks, we found that 22 of those nations were in fact ghosts flying the AA without actual membership, with membership being determined by a matching nation link in our forum's member nation roster. Additionally, a sizable chunk of 36-56 of those nations were banks. (exact number omitted for security reasons) Thus, we found 70-90 so-called "peace mode violators" who refused to leave peace mode despite repeated orders to fight. The quoted text indicates that 90% or more of NPO nations must exit peace mode for two weeks for this conflict to end. If this term is accepted, it is reasonable to think that the aforementioned peace mode violators will not exit to receive their mandated punishment. Having been told repeatedly to fight over the course of this extended war, there is no reason to believe that they would leave when ordered again. The number of peace mode violators significantly crosses or runs very closely to the specified threshold dictated by the Karma coalition. (We currently have 731 nations flying our AA, a number which will likely decrease over time, increasing the percentage.) The degree of variance introduced by the estimated number of banks is almost irrelevant, as we skirt dangerously close to 10% in even the most "optimistic" of scenarios. Remember, by assuming we have less banks, you assume that the payment of reparations will be harder too. From here, one can see that this term is nigh impossible. And this is even working under the assumption that Karma accepts that 22 of our violators are ghosts, and accepts that a decent portion of these peace mode nations are banks. It is very possible that Karma refuses to take our word on these matters. In this eventuality, the number of violators *they* would perceive would be much, much higher, once again jacking up the percentage. We are also assuming that all non-violating nations in peace mode (i.e. all nations that are in peace but have fought a war in the past week and so on) will exit peace mode when ordered. There will undoubtedly be less than a 100% compliance rate among this number due to inactivity or possible insubordination. Therefore, the demand that 90% of our nations leave peace mode is not even possible to comply with. Even the most ideal conditions do not make this particular term viable, making the terms as a whole unacceptable. The New Pacific Order cannot bind itself to an agreement it knows it very well cannot carry through with.

Ah yes, if you think these current terms are ridiculous, make sure to tack those on too.

An honorable move in the midst of such passion. Props, MHA.