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It might be a good thing to disable the results... definitely how we can see who voted for what... lol.

Time to join a new sphere?

[quote name='Poyplemonkeys' timestamp='1294262673' post='2564679'] Again you keep talking about trade circles, temp trades, everything that I haven't taken any issue with. This has just been so distorted from my original point which was that you can't just calculate slot usage and give the award to the alliance with the highest as if that is the be all and end all of economic growth. In that very post you recognise that it isn't... I've explained why I have the opinion I do, and how I'm not trying to take away from Umbrella's achievements, many times. So like I said to mrcalkin, if you disagree with it then so be it the opinions are pretty much polar opposites, just don't come at me with all figures to show me how brilliant Umbrella is at what you do because I already know. Your level of dedication cannot be questioned, and has not been questioned either, I personally would just place greater weight elsewhere if that situation existed. [/quote] You are absurd. This is the first time I, or anybody in this thread, has mentioned any dimension other than tech procurement. But now that I finally address your concerns over "other levels of growth," you claim that I "keep talking about...everything I haven't taken issue with." If your argument is that there is "[something you'd] place greater weight," I don't understand what that might be when I have addressed every single dimension of cybernations economics. It's like you're saying "if there was another dimension that currently does not exist in this game, and an alliance happened to be better at that dimension, then I would obviously have to err on the side of this other alliance with regards to the economics award." It's like claiming "well I believe that the sky is blue... but if there was evidence to believe the sky wasn't blue, although there really isn't at this point, I would believe the sky was not blue." Do you realize how silly that sounds? Either that, or I am grossly mistaking your vagueness for an accidental lack of logic; which, if this is the case, I'd love to hear what this other dimension is, and love to hear who would be succeeding at this dimension. By this I mean that you are obviously entitled to your opinion on who has the best economic system, based on your own criterion. But in my opinion, I believe that Umbrella is winning on every criterion established by the economics staff of every alliance in this game.

[quote name='Poyplemonkeys' timestamp='1294258126' post='2564612'] Yeah I know the benefits of tech, I mean Umbrella is an outrageous alliance in terms of tech but compared to the average I'm hardly tech light myself... If I had innovative ideas to grow nations successfully I wouldn't be slumming it like I am now, I'd be either making my own successful alliance or be in economics of another alliance. I wasn't talking about growth in general. It's been sort of side-tracked into people thinking I'm saying Umbrella don't deserve the award, which is not what I've ever claimed. I was just saying I didn't see why people were pulling up slot efficiency and saying that's it, Umbrella wins, as if it's the be all and end all of economics. I mean, has Umbrella bought 4mil NS worth of tech in the year? Or are you growing in other ways too? I've said a few times now that I'm not saying Umbrella don't deserve the award, just [b]if[/b] an alliance had created and utilised an innovative and successful new growth programme in the year I would place more value in it than being the very best at something that's pretty simple to grasp and has been around for an age. [/quote] Representing Umbrella econ, I can tell you that nearly every single one of our nations is in a consistent long-term trade circle. Most of our nations temp trade each and every collection cycle. We are proud of our infra:tech rations. We've doubled our NS in the last year. And most importantly, we import more tech than any other nation in the game per capita.. meaning in tech-based NS, we beat everybody else. It's been established we've imported at least 360,000 tech since march, which equates to 1,800,000 NS alone. Thats just under half of our total NS growth. Our tech importation is crucial to our growth agenda, and I don't understand why you don't realize that. In this game, nothing matters other than your ability to import tech efficiency and have a solid infra:tech ratio to maximize your profit while not destroying your ability to conquer during war.

[quote name='Zeta Defender' timestamp='1294117972' post='2562741'] No, I prefer the numbers that since March of 2010, the NPO has delivered from the Tech Corps over 200,000 Units of technology not even including what was sent over the holidays. The 200k is 25% of the total tech Umbrella has and its was delivered in 9 months. I think those numbers speak louder than slot utilization any day of the week [/quote] [quote name='AAAAAAAAAAGGGG' timestamp='1294128381' post='2562900'] On March 1st, Umbrella had 339k tech. Today we're at 801k tech. That's a difference of 426k tech. Yeah, some of them came from new members, but when you're talking about an alliance with less than 100 members versus an alliance with over 500 members, the fact that you're trying to argue how 500 members could move 200k tech and is better than a much smaller alliance (in terms of membership) who moved much much more than that in the same time period is absolutely hilarious. And in case you didn't look, Umbrella still has more tech than NPO. [/quote] Pure entertainment. Very interesting to see a top member of the NPO econ team unable to comprehend the tech importation logistics. If your slot usage is 25% and Umbrella is closer to 90%, that would mean that Umbrella would have been able to import 3x your 200k (600k; then pro-rated for your 5x size advantage = 120,000) in the same timeframe. Too bad we imported closer to 426k tech (likely closer to 360,000 taking into account new members)... which is... oh wait... exactly x3 what you imported pro-rated (120,000 x 3 = 360,000). Umbrellas tech represents 50% of their NS. NPO is 22%. Even Sparta beats you there... same with average tech/nation. I think its important to remember that total alliance tech means absolutely nothing when it comes to individual battles.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1293505689' post='2555798'] Noobs join any alliance out there, it's not difficult to be convincing in a PM. And sure, I'm ruining this game. I'm actually [b]doing[/b] something and getting people pissed off and possible having a global war start off? What are you doing? Oh right, nothing except !@#$%*ing about how boring this game is. [/quote] I would love to hit you right now... but I would never do that to VE. Drop your protection, and we're on for a date.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1293505231' post='2555792'] We have guides on our forums and links to these very forums about alliances that are out there to help him or any nation choose where they wish to go. I told him he should find an alliance or he can even reside in mine until he finds the right one for him. If I cared about stats I would be actively recruiting now, wouldn't I? [/quote] People don't join alliances like yours in response to mass recruit PMs. Stop playing dumb. This is a political stunt, and its ridiculous. People like you ruin this game. If you want to be an activist, go defend the people currently getting raided--they need your selfless and benevolent assistance. [quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1293505402' post='2555795'] I wouldn't imagine asking for more than was dealt, so no worries there. And indeed, the people who don't do anything to try and spice this game up are the ones here complaining. Hey guys you want a war? I just gave you a chance to start one. Or !@#$% out and keep complaining, but know that you're a hypocrite for not doing anything next time you complain about this game being boring. [/quote] So you can cry to VE?

[quote name='Franz Joseph I' timestamp='1293504846' post='2555780'] A [b]Game[/b]: [i]is a contest with rules to determine a winner.[/i] [/quote] [b]Cybernations[/b]: A game full of party poopers encouraging stagnation. Often erroneously characterized as a "game."

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1293503213' post='2555744'] Because my alliance stands to do what it can against tech raiding and protecting unaligneds when we can. In this case we can, and we have informed him of what's going on. If after that period he still wants to remain unaligned then that's his choice and everyone can have their fun. [/quote] [quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1293504460' post='2555771'] Because I felt like giving it. Once it's done if he wants to remain on unaligned then everyone can have their go on him. [/quote] So... you are going to protect him for 7 days, or until he joins your alliance? Let me assume what your warning PM looked like. "Hi. Look at this thread on the OWF. You have 7 days protection from our alliance, we are against innocent nations being attacked. You're going to want to join an alliance to prevent this in the future." Maybe you were blunt and said "You should consider us", maybe not, but its all inferred. This is a political game, at best. Why don't you go check the recent wars and start defending people who are legitimately getting raided every day instead of using this as a political stunt to potentially recruit a nation that is likely on his way out the door.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1293495336' post='2555635'] That nation will be protected by Celestial Being for 7 days starting today. [/quote] party pooper of the year award

[quote name='Proximus' timestamp='1293232830' post='2553010'] Quick, someone give them a birthday present and escalate this war so they can come kick some ass. [/quote] yes, please

so happy and so proud to be an umbrellaian o/ umbrella and our allies who celebrate this awesome day with us

o/ sparta

This is an exciting period for both us over here at Umbrella and for our allies. o/ Pandora's Box

I am on a University network and I'd like to refer some of my friends to CN due to the new incentives. However, I obviously fear the accusation of being a multi. I've always thought before to never worry about other people on my network because as long as we don't trade/aid/war, we'll be fine. But, because of the new incentives, and the fact that they were increased and more likely to be abused... I am worried that if I were to refer these people, it would throw up a flag, especially if I were to refer numerous people. Essentially, I am asking for advice: should I refer them, or not? We're all poli sci students, so I think CN could be enjoyable for a few of my friends... but I am sure as hell not going to risk my nation for them