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Everything posted by StevieG
Thats not at all necessarily true. You are just making a silly assumption, that damage dealt to RE could be transferred to UN if they were not fighting RE. Firstly once nuked, a nation cannot be nuked again, and its likely the nuke levels we had resulted in most of our nations being nuked daily.(So you cant nuke us again) In addition ive already explained how its easy to get damage against someone not fighting by "using the left overs" Air raids Ground attacks. And nukes if you have enough. Granted "usage of slots" its most likely your strongest argument for Wolves being able to do more damage had they not attacked "some" RE nations. How many slots did they even use on RE? Could Wolves have done more damage had they used slots on UN only and not RE? Yes. But likewise the UN could have done more damage in return through coordination and utilization of those exact slots as well. I myself was in this exact situation. I think only 1 or 2 nations hit me, and I hit out on 3. So had they not used slots on RE but had "filled me up" I could have done more damage back as well. For some reason, you do not feel that RE not fighting back at all is not valid enough reason for us to compare damage dealt by UN to Wolves and vice versa. You use this as a reason why Wolves didnt do more damage to UN. Thats funny really, considering we were statistically fighting uphill. We can just agree to disagree on this point.
Its top 15. And I dont see the problem with making everyone but top 15 pending. That is a "We have the best Top Tier" award anyways. Still economic award if you think about it. Or yeah remove it and replace with a "warring" award.
@MaineGOP The only thing that needs to happen is to stop using score as the way to define strongest AA. Score is highly weighted towards member count. That isn't necessarily Strength. Average NS has always been the real gauge of how solid you are (in the past it was a 15 minimum to qualify for awards based purposes) but for general strength we always look to ANS. You could even use total NS, but that wouldn't necessarily stop mergers at the end to "win". You could place some sort of time limit (ie last quarter of round) But i think its not good to stop new recruits joining the game and then joining an AA at least half way through a round. We want players to join at any time I think. Just rid Strongest AA award and problem solved. Dont even need to try and change score formula or anything like stopping people joining and locking into AAs. (Unless you wanted to go a true "tournament" style where you have teams of 6 to 12 or something. I dont think we have enough for many teams of 12 tbh. And you have a bunch of solid teams battle it out tournament style. that could be fun for a round.) Replace it with Average NS if you wanted to keep it economic based, or convert it to something that incentives warring. The majority of the people who come to this game want to do just that, and they should be able to compete just by warring well. You cannot war well without a decent economic plan either, so its not like econ suddenly goes out the window and everyone gets CIA MP day 0 and 5 based on 2 war awards for AAs
Exactly, agree 100 percent. (Im on record arguing your first point since round 30) At least someone here isn't too "one-eyed" for sensible debate. I have to correct you here. It goes to the nations with the most Attacking Casualties, this isnt too bad a designation,but yes most killed would be far better, but we dont have that stat yet. Top 2 by strength goes towards Strongest AA award, and yes that is similarly a bad designation. Very bad, I dont need to go into detail.
if my opinion is that another suggestion is more important than a suggestion being debated, then I will hijack that thread and insert my own random suggestions into it because I feel that this is a "make any suggestion thread" Grow up
not nearly every round. granted I have won a few MDWs which gives me all the insight I need. just because I play by the rules, doesn't mean I agree with them. I have argued against the merrits of MDW from before I even won anything. nothing changed. and a lot of good econ builders etc have since left the game. so what do u want me to do? pretend I support it?
go ahead and tally the total. nothing wrong with that. we also tally the break downs. you know kind of like in a DoW we don't just use total ns vs total ns. we break it down. considering RE took 30k and put out as close as you get to 0. it is not only fair but the correct way to gauge our war with the wolves. carry on
No. This suggestion thread is specifically for changes(or additions) to most destructive award. Hence the title. It is not a general change the awards or change the game play thread. Again there are suggestion threads relating to your suggestion. Go find them and post your input there. Edit. stay on topic. the topic being (end of round award for most damage) not my wording
that is spot on. but so long as individual awards favour nations who build and save up hundreds of millions you will have nations aiming for economic success. and who can blame them? pure economic success is one thing. most destructive war is not only that. it is actually worse.
yes. total damage dealt by a single nation over the round would be a great stat/award. has been suggested too. far better than 2 nations conspiring to not only inflict the most damage possible(which require infra huggy round) but also to concede the most damage deliberately from your opponent. great suggestion. 2 thunbs up. this should replace at least 1 individual award another would be most soldiers killed by an individual nation edit. as with everything there are variances. ie the lead hitter may lose GAs allowing his wing men to do more damage. also whoever is the designated nuker will probably also get more damage and kills than his wingmen.
and by being inactive RE and UN weren't able to do as much damage with utilising those slots. your point is not a fact you are merely theorizing to potential damage. the fact is they did not have to focus RE and could focus the UN nations who were not receiving coordination assistance from RE. they could merely launch nukes as they pleased. and probably could get easy wins and damage on RE with remaining deploys after hitting UN with the focus of AA GA and nuke attacks. I'm not even trying. merely pointing out your belittling of bundy by calling him your "padawan"
add soldiers killed stat too. for individual nations. we record soldiers killed for AAs, why not individuals? granted the AA totals are accumulated by soldiers killed by individual nations while on that AA. and as you move AAs your soldiers killed remain on that AA where you earned them. they do not move with you to your new AA. your own personal soldiers killed stat would stay with you wherever you go. with the reminder that any nation that deletes during the course of the round has a direct effect on casualty stats on any of his/her prior opponents. perhaps this too can be changed. I believe many more are now aware of this, albeit nobody has probably witnessed it on a large scale. I have argued this point in the past when noticing that my casualties had mysteriously deleted until I realised my raids from the start of the round where I would get some casualties then fell away when inactive nations either got raided out to deletion or were legitimately inactive at some stage and dropped out. also individual soldiers killed stat is far better than individual attacking casualties stat FYI. essentially you cannot manipulate that. and there is nothing wrong with solid strategy or donating either 😀
wrong. we take the real stats. UN vs wolves. you can also compare wolves vs re. but 30k damage to 0 tells the tail. they did not do anything at all as far as I can see because let's face it they are garbage and probably weren't at all interested in doing damage. they just sat there and took it. and no they did not even need to "focus" RE as there was no fight. wolves still beat us by 10k was a good war. However, in our position you would be saying UN plus RE had more NS to lose thus it's even haha. you have argued this point before. if 2 AAs are coordinating in war and using each other's strength as if they were 1, then yes it is fair to compare the total. example being when war doves have been dragged to war with us. we have together put out more damage. in RE s case, was it actually 0 damage put out? not it was close to that. and that's ridiculous really. is bundy your padawan now? keep losing them and you keep having to find more. perhaps take in some RE as your new padawans instead of insulting bundy 😀😎
You cant stop nations from joining period, thats bad. No way should you do that. Seniority as a qualifier is good, but this whole award is bad anyways and needs to be removed. The "top two nation" at the end round is bad for who from the AA wins it too. Should be canned. Average NS is a Good award for rewarding Economic Growth but similarly finishing NS as it was before is bad to decide who wins it from the AA . Incentives saving money for the very end.. There are better awards. We have had Infra destroyed, theres tech destroyed too, land, . Lots of things that can be used, and changed regularly. However whatever the 2 nation qualifier is needs to be something other than finishing NS. I also think at least some individual awards should be changed from rewarding building tons of cash for a late game push, and moved towards damage output and things like that. Over a whole round instead of the BIGGEST war etc. Most destructive war and Most bills are pretty silly awards. And you could even argue Peak NS and Land just reward hoarding 500 600 million dollars at this level of starting cash. But some would probably argue we should keep some "money" awards. Rewarding solid building collecting and fighting throughout the entire round is what we should do to incentivize all members who are active and fighting and building a solid nation. Its pretty simple to use Infra, Tech, Land, Soldiers, Tanks, Navy anything. And tally it up over a round. Although something will have to be done about the numbers dropping off when opponents nations delete. Maybe its not that big a deal.
We should have posted more updates throughout the round because this has been one hell of a race which we havent had for some time. And still is! But we all know this is most likely the order it will end. Also congratz to flag runner, becoming the 2nd nation to join the 3mil club. Perhaps we also have more inclusions to come.
War slot filling is not allowed and against the game rules. Please keep your accusations to the correct forum. Report if you feel the need. Or maybe you want to clarify what you mean? Because your above statement holds no water. Seems like typical bad mouthing to me. Continue to keep this crap up and I will report regardless of what AA you reside in.
Again you have no substance, merely insults. Like water off a ducks back. No disrespect as I respect some of those you mention, but if that is your "greats" line up you are in trouble. And finished off with a suck up, how charming When I made mention of more than us can wear that shoe it was in reference to THIS ROUND. Stop reading so much into it. We had no qualm with IRON being our "judge and jury" to this "crime"? you speak of haha. Do you not think we evaluated whether IRON would hit us and played out that scenario? In fact some members wanted to continue to fight everyone including IRON.(this would have potentially locked you out of war partners) but we went ahead with peace as we are confident in our ability. Even "letting you" have the war with Wolves. No need to thank us. You havent even been around long enough to talk history, and no I didnt get MP very early this round either. Ive played plenty of rounds where you havent even known my nation? So you have nothing but how many rounds? to base it off. The fact is there is barely any competition left due to the game dying. But we can still have our blood fued to keep things interesting. We dont need to fool anyone. You bring the spotlight to yourselves. Your strategy is actually a sound one. It would have been an unwise assumption to assume that we wouldnt keep up with your war mongering however. I am not among those being condescending about losing wars, merely calling it as I see it. In this thread I used the phrase "without being that successful" And from your explanation you only agreed with what I said, so whats the issue? I agree you could have got WRCs and tech as you had monies, but you prioritized your post war rebuild as you said. Similar situation for us too perhaps. This isnt quite as close, exciting and intense as our run off a few rounds ago, but it is decent competition. Something we want from more AAs. Think of it this way. If we werent here, who would be pushing you to be better?
You dont classify a win, a win. And what I said was "without being that successful" then you go on to explain why you werent that successful, just as I said you had no problem simply rebuilding to high enough anyways. Nobody is pretending nothing. You come out with funny accusations and we are saying whats wrong? You are also going for it as should all other aspiring AAs. I do not care to dig into the past, but you obviously missed the point that IRON hit UN after engagement. Whereas RE engaged IRON in 4 wars, and we did not even hit any single nation at war I believe, as we didnt hit that rouge. Never mind this silly accusation of hitting AAs at war when it is within an hour os so of declare, and everyone seemed to be wanting us to what? hit IRON, which also would have been hitting an AA at war. Stop being so petty. These are irrelevant issues to even be wasting my time replying to. The real issues are changing up the awards, far more regularly and not including stupid ones. It is all about balance. Naturally a long back collect decreases the rate at which you can militarize your nation, so you can get off to a slow start sometimes. It is definitely not 2 months before some serious fighting can happen as you seem to think though. And I have had my fair share of early action thanks. Spent plenty of rounds in small AAs too, so yo dont know what you are talking about. You clearly want to forget my day 15 MP though. What is it with this planes thing? Like do you want to also criticize those who dont buy planes at all? Or are you just criticizing me for not buying tech back up to 500 after each nuke and buying max air in some early wars? Are you serious? Here let me use none other than the man who gets to day 81 with no MP. How much does that take away from your AA soldiers killed total? He does have some words of advice for you though.
Oh sorry were you wanting to fight us again? Sorry for tucking tail and running. You are always welcome to attack after we are already in war. You know standard stuff. Is my ego too big? Come take it down yourself? Send anyone and everyone you can muster? You are a disgrace to the magnificence of IRON. albeit new in TE, I have great respect for a former DuckRoll Brother. You couldnt even put aside petty differences for the betterment of United Nations. Keep talking crap but its we who have made the sacrifices, and will continue to do so for the greater good of the AA. As far as it seemed to us, UN nations economy was in disarray, and for all the coaching you had received, you had achieved NOTHING!
NLON have been coordinating with IRON so I hear. it's not like RE have been coordinating with us either. guess they are the meat in the sandwich 😀 IRON alone could not match us. especially if we wanted to hurt them as das has so eloquently pointed out in another thread. greed would have seen us either declare on all. or continue to fight all and not peace wolves. they then wouldn't be able to give u this next war. we definitely had it in us too. regardless of your nonsensical assumptions. As to hitting AAs already at war. well that shoe fits more than us. but your hypocrisy is blinding you. on another note. why is it that you are happy to wage war after war without being that successful? is it because you can rebuild and keep going again in pursuit of soldiers killed? we know it is. and AAs fighting strategically for AA honours should be applauded not condemned. I salute you for giving it a go. now we just need to get IRON and wolves playing the same game.