Right now there's no notification for losing a trade, if your trade partner gets deleted. That's just plain silly, since at least for me it's me most common reason for losing trades and the only way to tell you've lost a trade is carefully check the amount of taxes you can collect or your resources every single day. So I suggest that whenever a nation is deleted a message would be sent to all of it's trade partners. This shouldn't be too hard to implement and would make the trade system at least a bit less frustrating.

good idea. poll? Although you do have the little dot things now.

Seems like common sense - I'm all for it.

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I endorse this suggestion.

You can just scroll down for 1 second and see if your gross daily income has changed/ one of your trade slots is blank.

eh I dont care either way, Id notice a lost partner within hours of it happening. Besides, its good to check up on your trade partners from time to time. Back before I had a trade circle I spotted a few people about to delete by doing that.

But then, why get a message at all when trades are canceled?

I am all for this.

100% for. Trades lost due to inactivity have happened to me with increasing frequency of late. And I know when I've lost a trade (as if the two missing icons and 5 missing bonuses aren't enough, the fact that I collect 4x less money gives it away). It's just irritating when it's always an unpleasant surprise. At least a message would give me a chance to brace myself before collecting taxes.

its a good idea but i have suggested it in the past and admin didnt put it in...

Good idea. Im for it. When Im on a 19 day no collection run like now, I dont check much about my nation. So it would prob take me a good few days to notice something happening.

I humbly support this idea, although I don't think I'll be using it soon...

This is something that should have been done a loong time ago

You get a notification if someone cancels, but not when the delete?

Makes sense that this happens. Just include in the delete script a "send automated message to all trade partners" section.

My names SynthFG, and I approve this suggestion

I approve this message.

I support it.

I think admin ruled on this already.

As mentioned in another spot, for the msg to be useful, the nations resources would have to be listed in the msg, as you wouldnt be able to read the msg saying you got a cancelled trade, and then click the nation to see what resources they had.

Another useful addition, I'm all for it.

I think this would be a good idea. I have gotten burned a couple of time because of this.

Simply getting a notification that you have lost a trade would be worth 99% as much. It's easy enough to work out what you're missing.

mmm... well... then it's easy enough to work out that you've lost a trade and what you are missing without a msg?

I guess you could miss the screen, but I know how much my bills and taxes are expected to be and any small variation I know something is up... if you lost a trade there would be a large change usually, and you could go and sort it out before collecting.

Considering that about once every two weeks someone puts a "report a bug" post on this, it apparently isn't that easy.

Additional, add notification for a trade partner switching color.

The switching color would be nice too. Would it be that hard either to implement?

I don't think it would be a difficult addition at all, considering the manual trade cancellations already send out a nearly identical report. Most of the work would be copy-paste-reword. And it would only occur when one of these non-frequent events take place.

I, too, would firmly welcome these notifications for both Delinquent Deleted partners and Traitorous Team partners alike.

This has happened to me on a huge number of occasions. I would say that I have more trade partners vanish than I have actually cancel, and it seems silly the less frequent event would send a notification while the predominant one does not. As alden said,

I am getting sick of losing my trade partners to inactivity without any warnings. I have hardly enough time to go on CN: check messages, pay bills, buy some infra and maybe an improvement, collect taxes, and log off.

Yet you have enough time to post as often as you do in these threads?

I agree fully. Nice wording, btw.

I am definitely for this. We get cancellation notifications when the nation manually cancels, so why not when they go inactive?

Or, how about when the nation is around 15 days inactive?

Early warning is a nice idea, except for those who do it intentionally despite logging in daily.
(My last collection was 19-days inactive! Although that was because I had to find two new trade partners due to deletions.)

Unless there were a way to only warn in advance if the nation hasn't paid bills or even logged in, I don't think an early warning system would work on tax collection alone.

I think this would be helpful, as it is possible to overlook the loss of a trade.
I don't know how hard it would be to code a routine ot send these messages into the deletion process, but it would be useful.

I do not usually sign on to the forums, but today I did. My purpose was to post this exact suggestion (and then I found this thread so I didn't). I have had this happen to me at least a dozen times, and it aggravates me every single time. In most cases I have noticed, but a few times I have not noticed until I receive a trade offer a day or two later. Basically. I fully support this suggestion.

Its Happened to me and probably to you, you get on collect taxess and then go uh oh. I am missing a trade ;((

I am for the implementing of a Notification system.

I must agree with this idea, please send automated messages if our trade partners switch team color or are deleted for inactivity.

It's happened twice to me, and I don't even realise for a while because I don't always check out my whole nation. And it doesn't even come up on the trade agreement screen, what I've lost. It isn't too hard to figure out what I've lost but it's a pain none the less.

Agreed

I pay careful attention to every aspect of my nation before I collect (I check my trading partners' activity regularly), I've slipped up a couple times (not trade related), none the less, it would seem like a good thing to add to help the individual. However, think of how many automated messages this would be... "259,507 nations couldn't take the heat." I don't know the number of people that are deleted everyday, I'd assume it is a fairly large number seeing as at the time of this post CN is 1078 days old, which averages out to about 240 nations deleted per day (this is probably way off) and lets say each of those nations has 3-4 trading partners, that's about 700-1000 automated messages a day or so (still probably not really an accurate figure at all). I don't know if the added amount of messages would be an issue or not (seeing as how during a major war I'm sure the amount of automated messages is a lot higher than usual), but if something like this IS implemented, I would add to this suggestion that it be a toggle feature in something like the my profile page - preset to disabled (something like: "Do you wish to receive notification that you have lost trades due to deleted nation(s)?).


There is a system in place where you can keep track of your trade partners other than your trade agreements page. Trades are highly important if you want to get ahead in this game since they provide both economic and militaristic bonuses. Deciding who you trade with is also your decision, and sometimes you end up trading with people who get their nations deleted, knowing who deleted on you by notification only saves you if YOU forget to check before you collect, getting a message won't bring back the trade partner from deletion. Perhaps when you get a trade for sorely sought after resources make a note of the person you are trading with and his/her resources and write it down in your nation's notes page. The game doesn't notify you when you have improvement slots open or when events expire or when aid expires. Getting an in-game message from nations who are still playing the game and drop trades allows you to go to them to see if you can reestablish the trade.


The suggestion by the OP stated himself/herself that losing a trade partner due to deletion is the most common reason he or she lost trades, there is no guarantee your trade partners of hundreds of days won't drop on you, but picking your trade partners carefully will probably see to it that you don't lose your trades so often or under such circumstances.

[Rationally I don't think this change is necessary, but I understand how others do, and would benefit, so I respectfully disagree with the suggestion.]

I do not see a reason why this could possibly be a harm to Cybernations. Also figure that probably 1/3 to 1/2 of the deleted nations are nations that never log in again after the first time and I think the total number of messages would be a trivial strain on the server.

I also see literally no reason you would ever NOT want to receive this notification, even if you are someone who does what you do.

I whole-heartedly agree with this suggestion.

YES!

This is absolutely necessary.

Can there be at least an option for the trades to remain on the trade agreement screen but just saying the nation has been deleted? Because a few of my trade partners have been deleted recently and I always realise too late annoyingly.

I don't know how the game functions server-side, but it would seem easy enough to run a script on pre-deleted nations to have that nation "cancel all trades" just before getting deleted.

I guess not, if this thread was allowed to live. Though if he did, were there any specifics reasons given for not implementing?

Now that's a kind of clever idea there.

I like the idea - regardless of how it's implemented.

Have nations cancel all trades before deleting - great idea.

That being said, I'd rather see a total overhaul of the system to a market-based one.

I think the problem here is when a nation is deleted everything (including messages they've sent, trades, foreign aid, etc) relating to that nation is deleted too. So even if such a script were run all trace of the trade cancelation would be gone when the nation was actually deleted.

Come on, pay attention...

I am sorry but if you haven't checked on a trade partner recently and he gets deleted for inactivity then oh-well, "you" screwed up. I know this game is a bit slow but for crying out loud, doesn't anyone pay attention to what's going on in their nation? Check on your trade partners at least a couple times a month. Send them some aid or provide them with some communication, whatever. It appears to me you are asking admin to do your work for you...

Although this is a game it should somewhat reflect the real world. In the real world if you aren't vigilant and you fail to continuously oversee your national resources then there will be a price to pay. If you haven't noticed that a trade partner is 15 days inactive then you have failed to be responsible in your duties and should suffer a consquence.

Had you stayed in some sort of contact with your trade "partner" perhaps he wouldn't have gotten deleted.

Maybe admin could simply add some text to the trade page or on the main page stating:

"REMEMBER: Check on your trade partners from time to time to see if they are about to be deleted."

... reminding rulers that they, and only they, are responsible for their nation.

See, your problem is fixed...

Put the warning on the bills page and the taxes page.

WARNING: YOU DO NOT HAVE ALL YOUR TRADE SLOTS FILLED. ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO PAY BILLS? (y/n)

Then, if one wasn't really on top of things while checking CN before having one's morning cornflakes, one can utter a brief "WTF?" before scrambling to fix one's trades before collecting one's taxes or paying one's bills.

I love that idea.

Problem is, there are some CN players who doesn't care about their trades, and they will get annoyed, but then again, their problem.

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=14858

Definitely a good idea though.

Edit: Whoa, big gravedig.. A month ago..