OOC: Voted for Alexius.

OOC: Voted for Benedict XVII

OOC: Voted for Alexius

With the discrace and capture of its Pope Bubba-supporting leader, the ongoing government searches and investigations, the lack of leadership, the lack of organization, the severe division, and the uncertain future of the Catholic Church of Arctica, it is unable to send forth a Cardinal to vote in the Conclave. Catholic Arcticans (comprising about 1/4 of the population) are divided in the matter.

OOC: Null vote. This came at a nice time

OOC: Voted for Alexius I.

I also forgot to say this before, but good luck Gnost. I'm sure you'll make a great Church if you win this!

In our hope to see a more united Catholic Church and to end the division that Alexius I has caused. The Hanseatic Commonwealth places its vote in this Papal Conclave for Benedict XVII. May you bring unity to this divided Church.

OOC: That was JPIII, not Alexius. Alexius tried to reverse the Schism by disbanding the military

Transvaal's representation at the conclave has been instructed to vote in favour of Alexius.

OOC: Eh I haven't seen Alexius do much...it could be may fault in not paying attention or other things. Vote still stands.

OOC: As a reminder lets try to keep any debate to a separate thread. Post votes and let the voting move on. Also, please remember to both vote in the poll, and post your vote within this thread, or else it will not be counted.

The Tally at present is:

Benedict: 2

Alexius I: 4

The Italian representation obviously supports Benedict XVII. However we remind that even if Alexius I wins, he will not be able to return to Rome. Our position will not change.

OOC: Is this CNRP or ERP?

OOC: CNRP

"The Vinilandese Catholics largely support Benedict XVII"

Cardinal Wood casts his ballot for Benedict. He is curious as to why non-Catholic nations are seemingly being represented.

Rodolfo Torri of Italica voted in support of Benedictus XVII

OOC: as did I

"Archbishop Christoph Cardinal Schönborn cast his vote for Benedict"

OOC: Benedict has my vote!

OOC: Benedict

OOC: Alexius I

OOC: As far as I know, your nation is devoutly Muslim, therefore your vote is null As a reminder, only nations with a significant Catholic Majority or Minority are being counted as votes. This goes for both candidates. Thus far ,I have not seen any non Catholics voting for Benedict, but if you spot one, PM me and I will tack it off.

Votes are as follows:

Alexius I: 5

Benedict XVII: 14


It is important everyone remember that VOTES NOT POSTED IN THIS THREAD ARE VOID! This is to prevent non Catholics from posting, and to insure a fair elective process.


The poll will stay up until tomorrow, or until a concession from either side.

The Carthaginian Catholics, though without much order and stability, have a large support for Benedict XVII.

Transvaal is probably not a catholic country - however our Prime Minister is Catholic.

OOC: Voted for Benedict XVII

Cardinal Reynolds of Promised Land votes for Alexius 1.

OOC: Not majority catholic, but majority christian and a strong percentage of Catholics, so I hope that's enough.

The Government in Exile of the Theocratic Republic of Rebel Virginia spits on you all. We still continue to believe in His Holiness the Pope Bubba XIII as the Supreme Deity of the Catholic Church and Savior of the World. You shall all burn in Hellfire, and He shall not lend a hand in pity to you sinful sinners.

OOC: I was wondering if you'd show up with a post sometime soon...

OOC: You do not have 14 votes!

OOC: He doesn't....he has 15

OOC: You have to post for your vote to be counted.

OOC: In that case, it is 11-7 in favor of Benedict.

OOC: and I voted for Benedict

OOC: OK, so make that 12-7.

OOC: I must have been crazy in how I posted that. I am very sorry for misleading people. Honest mistake

Alexius I: 7

Benedict XVII: 12

Father Charles Letourneau of Disparu, a nation with a large Catholic population, votes for Benedict XVII.

Alexius I: 7

Benedict XVII: 13

OOC: Okay, here's the dealio. Basically, I am currently about to begin a painstakingly irritating process of updating my PC to Windows 7. I intend to wipe most everything I have on this PC and I will not be available for probably 2 days. With this in mind, plus the commanding lead that I currently have in the polls and the voter slowdown (All the major players have voted), I am going to go ahead an call a victory ICly. I don't think there should be an issue given my extrenous circumstances and the community's desire to end the feud as efficiently and expediently as possible. If there is an issue, I authorize Sargun to RP the Pope in my interim, beginning at 2 AM EST on Saturday the 7th. If I return, I will notify him and the community that I am resuming control of the character of Benedict XVII.

Once again, I'm going to go ahead and ICly declare victory. To KC, you are a fair person, and a good roleplayer. It's been a privilege to run against you for the Papacy. As in my message, you're authorized to be an Archbishop or similar leader of your own Diocese in Jerusalem or wherever you may choose. I hope that everyone will recognize this election as free, fair and efficient.

OOC: Alright, congratulations and good luck with the Papacy! As for the IC announcement, Alexius is gonna have a cow and declare the conclave null and void because it was called off early. Nothing personal, he's just a stubborn guy, and if you don't believe me just ask Amy. She created him. Anyway, point is, he's not gonna have a good reaction.

OOC: So what you're saying, is that you're not going to hold to your characters word? Granted, if you want to get down to brass tacks, I did call it off early but, ICly there is no time limit to a Papal Conclave and it was clear on an OOC level that I was going to win anyhow even with a Time Limit. This is due to the lead I had, the lack of Catholic nations left to vote, and the amount of time left. It really does bother me that you're not going to adhere to a fair, and just elective process.

OOC: No, I'm accepting your victory OOCly, but not ICly. In other words, you'll get opposition.

OOC: It doesn't matter whether it's OOC or not. You're stating that you're not going to adhere to an elective process we developed and agreed upon in OOC conversation. Thusly, you are not keeping your word. That's fine if you want, but I spoke with most of your supporters previous to the poll and they did state that they would abide by the results of the conclave either way it went. I also stated I would not oppose you if you won. I expected the same from you, and for you to be humble, but I was incorrect and I am saddened to see that my efforts in goodwill and faith are misplaced.

OoC:

OoC =/= IC

KC stated that he accepts the results OoCly, but will RP what Alexius would've done ICly. Do you honestly expect that, in an IC perspective, Alexius would accept his defeat? Naturally, he would oppose the results if it was against him, correct?

OOC: I didn't expect to have to reveal my plan, but I guess it's necessary. Alexius is a stubborn person who likes things his way, so what he'll do is unsuccessfully try to gather support. Later he'll be so obsessed about getting Rome back that he'll go into Italy, where he'll be arrested, then people will protest against Junio but no serious consequences will occur. It's just to add flavor to the RP.

OOC: An OOC agreement reached in regards to how our IC characters would react, is binding in my opinion. The OOC/IC line is meant in my estimation, to keep folks from taking OOC comments ICly personal and vice versa.



OOC: That may be well and true, but from my position it seems as if your line of thinking has been:

"I lost, so I oppose the results!"

"Oops, I won't have support if I do that!"

"Oh well! I'll do it anyways, and claim it was a grand plan of mine from the beginning!"


I realize how cynical it is of me to say that, but I must admit I am somewhat irritated at this point. You and I had an OOC agreement that reflected upon our IC characters in how the agreement would affect them. You offered to hold a conclave, I accepted. You agreed to hold an Open poll and we agreed that the results would be binding. You have lost, and you are now going back on your word. This is something important to me, on both an IC level for my character, as well as an OOC level as a player in the community. If I cannot trust you on your word, I cannot trust you in anything.

I apologize if any of this offends or upsets you, but you must understand my own position in the matter.

The small Christian following (about 100), located exclusively at Port Dranagg, still follow Pope Bubba XIII as the one true pope.

OOC: We agreed that you would control the Church. Now, I am just controlling a guy who CLAIMS to lead the Church, along with a few followers. That's not equivalent to leading a separate Church. If that still irritates you, then look at it this way: I am RPing the fall of Alexius I.

OOC: I'm going to go ahead and take this to PM because I don't want folks to be caught up in our conversation. This thread has served it's purpose. I would rather not show any sort of dissension within the ranks of Catholicism at this point. It's counter productive. In the meantime, do what you're going to do, and we'll sort our way through this.

OOC: ...Actually, one of his main reasons for applying for candidacy was to prevent schisms in the Church, that's why one of the first things he did was disband the military that so many people were opposed to. Persistent, yes. Outspoken, definitely. But he'd not be stubborn enough to ignore a decision from the very same College of Cardinals (even though half weren't from 'his' Church of Jerusalem) that gave him the Papacy. That would make him a second Archbishop Wood after all, which would be... about as OOC as he can get.

Now, Alexius I is going to accept the outcome of the Conclave, as is Zargathia (and the Zargathian priory of the Order of St John of Jerusalem Alexius was the Grand Master of) as that would be the most likely IC action for him. Since i don't want to deny KC his RP though, i would like to point out that still leaves him with an entire College of Cardinals of the Church of Jerusalem, of whom a majority would be against Pope Benedict XVII, leaving you with more than enough Cardinals (and backing) to proceed with the RP planning. They could 'legally' elect a new Pope from amongst them after all.

Maybe the same faction that advised Pope John Paul III to create the military regiment back in the day?