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Charles VI
http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-11-03-voa14.cfm

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A U.S. warship built with steel from the ruins of the World Trade Center has arrived in New York. The USS New York stopped alongside Ground Zero to fire a 21-gun salute honoring those who died in the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York. Relatives of the victims, first responders, and hundreds of onlookers gathered as the ship arrived in the city. It is to be officially commissioned on Saturday.

Just after sunrise the USS New York sailed into the city, It was greeted by hundreds of onlookers.

The ship's bow contains 7.5 tons of steel from the World Trade Center, as well as images of the Twin Towers in its stern. Almost 15 percent of the crew is from New York state.

Members of New York's Police, Fire and Ambulance services saluted the ship as the New York came to a stop and fired its guns.

Grace Crowley and Peter Capretta folded a flag to remember fallen friends. "People need to remember everyday, and they need to teach their children," Crowley said.

Bill Jennings, a veteran, says he thinks it is fitting that the steel from the World Trade Center ruins is now being used to defend America.

"Knowing that there are 7 tons, nearly 8 tons of steel, from that happening, from that day makes me proud," he said.

The USS New York sailed all the way from Louisiana, taking 2 weeks to reach Manhattan.

Alison and David Sanderson traveled from New Orleans. David Sanderson inspected the ship for the Navy before it set sail. He says those who built the ship knew it was a special project.

"We handled the steel like kids with kitten gloves. It was really neat," David said. "You could just feel the sense of pride in everybody that built the ship."

The ship will be officially commissioned on Saturday, and it will be open to the public for several days. People in New York will be able to see up close the ship that bears the city's name.


This is my new favourite ship. Actually, I've never had a favourite ship in the US Navy, but the awesomeness of this made me have one.
xoindotnler
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USS New York (LPD-21), the fifth San Antonio-class amphibious transport dock, is the sixth ship of the United States Navy to be named after the state of New York. The New York has a crew of 360, and can also carry up to 700 Marines.


Let's hope they do not burn this one down....
edikroma
Too bad they added steel from WTC...it's going to melt at a lower temp and cause the entire ship to collapse!
King Diamond
QUOTE (edikroma @ Nov 3 2009, 05:03 PM) *
Too bad they added steel from WTC...it's going to melt at a lower temp and cause the entire ship to collapse!


I'm pretty sure it's been treated.
DogeWilliam
Picture of the ship:

Learz
So they built a ship, but ground zero is still a smoking hole in the ground.
Well, at least they found one use for the steel.
Kenadian_2006
I don't get it. How could it do a 21 gun salute if the ship has no big guns. Did it mean small arms fire?
edikroma
QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Nov 3 2009, 08:35 PM) *
I don't get it. How could it do a 21 gun salute if the ship has no big guns. Did it mean small arms fire?


There's a video of the salute (well, you really can't hear anything, so maybe its not really the salute) and it sounds like the fired off some of the smaller guns on board.

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QUOTE (Learz @ Nov 3 2009, 08:35 PM) *
So they built a ship, but ground zero is still a smoking hole in the ground.
Well, at least they found one use for the steel.


Well, the San Antonio class ships were already being built. They just decided to make the newest one the USS New York.
Kenadian_2006
QUOTE (edikroma @ Nov 3 2009, 09:45 PM) *
There's a video of the salute (well, you really can't hear anything, so maybe its not really the salute) and it sounds like the fired off some of the smaller guns on board.

EDIT:



Well, the San Antonio class ships were already being built. They just decided to make the newest one the USS New York.


But still...the only guns it has are two CIWS and missile launchers.

Seriously, this is why battleships are useful.
DogeWilliam
QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Nov 3 2009, 09:01 PM) *
But still...the only guns it has are two CIWS and missile launchers.

Seriously, this is why battleships are useful.


I wonder what it would cost to build a ww1/2 era BB. Still craploads, or less due to the technology gap.
Kenadian_2006
QUOTE (DogeWilliam @ Nov 3 2009, 10:04 PM) *
I wonder what it would cost to build a ww1/2 era BB. Still craploads, or less due to the technology gap.


It would cost more to build something exactly as is from a WW2 era battleship.
edikroma
QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Nov 3 2009, 09:01 PM) *
Seriously, this is why battleships are useful.


To transport troops and materiel to the battlefield?!
Kenadian_2006
QUOTE (edikroma @ Nov 3 2009, 10:24 PM) *
To transport troops and materiel to the battlefield?!


Yes, that's exactly it.
Emperor Kameron
The USS New York is the great avenger of the WTC attacks. With some of its steel melted and put into that ship the spirit of America lives on in this warship. I think it would be a great honor to build this ship and to serve on it.

If you look at it this way the USS New York is like a pheonix. It rose from the ashes of the WTC. It has been reborn!
Ivan V
QUOTE (Emperor Kameron @ Nov 3 2009, 08:15 PM) *
The USS New York is the great avenger of the WTC attacks. With some of its steel melted and put into that ship the spirit of America lives on in this warship. I think it would be a great honor to build this ship and to serve on it.

If you look at it this way the USS New York is like a pheonix. It rose from the ashes of the WTC. It has been reborn!


It's not really capable of physically avenging anything if it's just a transport ship awesome.gif

In seriousness, I think they should have incorporated the steel into a destroyer (at the very least) or something with actual ordinance.
Emperor Kameron
Or a new carrier. But I'm happy with what we got now.
Lamuella
what are kitten gloves, exactly?
Flatlander
QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Nov 3 2009, 07:35 PM) *
Yes, that's exactly it.

For impressive ceremonies like 21-gun salutes .... safely in littoral waters ...
Gustave5436
QUOTE (Charles VI @ Nov 3 2009, 04:30 PM) *
http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-11-03-voa14.cfm



This is my new favourite ship. Actually, I've never had a favourite ship in the US Navy, but the awesomeness of this made me have one.


As far as ships of the name "New York" go, BB-34 was definitely better. I mean, this is just an amphibious landing ship.

QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Nov 3 2009, 07:01 PM) *
Seriously, this is why battleships are useful.


At the risk of contradicting my other comment, not when you can sink them from a hundred miles away with missiles. Yamato's 18.1 inch guns had a maximum range of 42km according to wikipedia.

QUOTE (edikroma @ Nov 3 2009, 06:45 PM) *
Well, the San Antonio class ships were already being built. They just decided to make the newest one the USS New York.


Capital ships (battleships in particular) are supposed to be named after states, not landing ships.
Kenadian_2006
QUOTE (Gustave5436 @ Nov 4 2009, 10:36 AM) *
At the risk of contradicting my other comment, not when you can sink them from a hundred miles away with missiles. Yamato's 18.1 inch guns had a maximum range of 42km according to wikipedia.


Well, that raises a whole bunch of issues. AFAIK, a WW2 battleship (especially a Yamato-class if we're talking about those) would have more than enough armour to withstand most if not all anti-ship weaponry currently used. Though I'm probably wrong on that. And even withstanding that, they did put anti-ship missiles on the Iowas and I do recall that they developed some sort of shell that vastly extended the range of the guns. But we're basing this on WW2 battleships. What if they designed a modern equivalent?
edikroma
QUOTE (Gustave5436 @ Nov 4 2009, 09:36 AM) *
Capital ships (battleships in particular) are supposed to be named after states, not landing ships.


Don't disagree with you...perhaps New York in this case is actually New York City? I mean, they are pretty interchangeable... for a lot of people, New York City is New York.
Wurzel
QUOTE (Lamuella @ Nov 4 2009, 01:59 PM) *
what are kitten gloves, exactly?


Maybe they meant to say they handled the steel like kittens with kid gloves, although why you'd want to handle steel like a kitten is beyond me.
Mustakrakish II
Not gunna lie...thats kind of an ugly ship.
Emperor Kameron
Back then Carriers used to be named after great Battles we won during the American Revolution and modern times we name our Carriers after Presidents.

Depending on the era I guess.
Kenadian_2006
QUOTE (Emperor Kameron @ Nov 5 2009, 02:41 AM) *
Back then Carriers used to be named after great Battles we won during the American Revolution and modern times we name our Carriers after Presidents.

Depending on the era I guess.


Not all were named on battles, I think. Was there a battle called Enterprise?

Cairna
QUOTE (Gustave5436 @ Nov 4 2009, 04:36 PM) *
Capital ships (battleships in particular) are supposed to be named after states, not landing ships.

Well, New York's a city too.

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What if they designed a modern equivalent?

Who would want to? We've learned since then that as grand as a massive battleship that surpasses all others is, it's never as efficient as a fleet of good quality ships in superior numbers. Part of that is psyche, I think. As I recall, that Japanese never really used their flagship until all hope was lost. They were saving it for some ultimately crushing and symbolic victory.
edikroma
QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Nov 5 2009, 06:18 AM) *
Not all were named on battles, I think. Was there a battle called Enterprise?


Nor was there a battle called "Wasp" and "Hornet" I think they named them after battles and famous ships...
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq63-1.htm
unbiased mod
QUOTE (edikroma @ Nov 4 2009, 03:03 AM) *
Too bad they added steel from WTC...it's going to melt at a lower temp and cause the entire ship to collapse!

why do people keep insisting it was the steel that knocked down the WTC? It was lacking fire regulations.

anyway, to me it seems like a testing boat for battleship stealth (look at it, its a try at a big stealth ship)
Gustave5436
QUOTE (edikroma @ Nov 4 2009, 08:36 AM) *
Don't disagree with you...perhaps New York in this case is actually New York City? I mean, they are pretty interchangeable... for a lot of people, New York City is New York.


If it were, the name would actually be "New York City." Even then, cruisers are supposed to be named after cities, not landing ships.

QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Nov 4 2009, 08:18 AM) *
Well, that raises a whole bunch of issues. AFAIK, a WW2 battleship (especially a Yamato-class if we're talking about those) would have more than enough armour to withstand most if not all anti-ship weaponry currently used. Though I'm probably wrong on that. And even withstanding that, they did put anti-ship missiles on the Iowas and I do recall that they developed some sort of shell that vastly extended the range of the guns. But we're basing this on WW2 battleships. What if they designed a modern equivalent?


A 60,000 ton displacement missile cruiser is just impractical, I guess. Too easy to sink one ship, so it's better to spread out equivalent firepower across multiple ships. The only reason battleship designs in WW2 got so huge (H44 was to be over 100,000 tons if I recall correctly) was to support bigger and bigger guns (H44, incidentally, was to have 20 inch guns).
edikroma
QUOTE (Gustave5436 @ Nov 5 2009, 11:55 AM) *
If it were, the name would actually be "New York City." Even then, cruisers are supposed to be named after cities, not landing ships.


Really? Is there a rule that landing ships classes can't be named after cities? Especially since it's replacing a couple classes of transport ships named after cities...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_class_..._transport_dock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_cl...ious_cargo_ship
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchorage_cla...ck_landing_ship
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newport_class_tank_landing_ship (Also, some ships here were named after counties)

Kenadian_2006
QUOTE (Gustave5436 @ Nov 5 2009, 12:55 PM) *
If it were, the name would actually be "New York City." Even then, cruisers are supposed to be named after cities, not landing ships.



A 60,000 ton displacement missile cruiser is just impractical, I guess. Too easy to sink one ship, so it's better to spread out equivalent firepower across multiple ships. The only reason battleship designs in WW2 got so huge (H44 was to be over 100,000 tons if I recall correctly) was to support bigger and bigger guns (H44, incidentally, was to have 20 inch guns).


The H44 and Super Yamatos were just gratuitous, H44 especially. Leave it to the Nazis.

Though that raises the question of the Kirovs. Aren't they the size of WW1 battleships?
Bob Ilyani
This may sound mean, but I'll bet you Al-Quaeda Will fly a plane into the ship just for kicks. tongue.gif

Cool ship though.
flak attack
QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Nov 4 2009, 11:18 AM) *
Well, that raises a whole bunch of issues. AFAIK, a WW2 battleship (especially a Yamato-class if we're talking about those) would have more than enough armour to withstand most if not all anti-ship weaponry currently used. Though I'm probably wrong on that. And even withstanding that, they did put anti-ship missiles on the Iowas and I do recall that they developed some sort of shell that vastly extended the range of the guns. But we're basing this on WW2 battleships. What if they designed a modern equivalent?

You should know perfectly well what happened to the Japanese fleet in Leyte gulf (especially Surigao Strait). Cruisers and battleships were taken out by destroyers and PT boats. The only reason we don't have anti-ship missiles capable of taking out a "modern" battleships is that there are no battleships for them to sink.
KaiserMelech Mikhail
QUOTE (Gustave5436 @ Nov 4 2009, 04:36 PM) *
Capital ships (battleships in particular) are supposed to be named after states, not landing ships.

I think they've just thrown out most of the rules. The new USS Minnesota, USS Virginia and USS Illinois are all submarines. In fact, see here and here.

QUOTE (Gustave5436 @ Nov 5 2009, 06:55 PM) *
If it were, the name would actually be "New York City." Even then, cruisers are supposed to be named after cities, not landing ships.

The first USS Minnesota was named after the river instead of the state, as was a USS Colorado and a USS Mississippi. I think they just go with a shorter name for convenience.
edikroma
QUOTE (KaiserMelech Mikhail @ Nov 6 2009, 03:40 PM) *
I think they've just thrown out most of the rules. The new USS Minnesota, USS Virginia and USS Illinois are all submarines. In fact, see here and here.


The first USS Minnesota was named after the river instead of the state, as was a USS Colorado and a USS Mississippi. I think they just go with a shorter name for convenience.


Interestingly, the new USS Minnesota will be replacing the old USS Minneapolis-St Paul (what a name!). Well...the new Virginia class is replacing the old LA-class...but still...

Also, since the USS New York is part of the San Antonio class, isn't it more likely that it is named after the city of New York, rather than the state? I mean, you can have ships named separate from the rest of their sisters, but I'd be willing to bet that in this case, New York refers strictly to the city.
KaiserMelech Mikhail
QUOTE (edikroma @ Nov 6 2009, 11:13 PM) *
I'd be willing to bet that in this case, New York refers strictly to the city.

That's my thought too. It does seem odd not to name it USS New York City, but oh well.
Kenadian_2006
QUOTE (flak attack @ Nov 6 2009, 03:48 PM) *
You should know perfectly well what happened to the Japanese fleet in Leyte gulf (especially Surigao Strait). Cruisers and battleships were taken out by destroyers and PT boats. The only reason we don't have anti-ship missiles capable of taking out a "modern" battleships is that there are no battleships for them to sink.


Quiet you, big guns > all.
edikroma
Complete side note: Check out this Lego model of the battleship Yamato!

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/142438

22 feet long, 3 feet wide, 330lbs! Took over 6 years to complete... damn!
KaiserMelech Mikhail
QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Nov 6 2009, 11:43 PM) *
Quiet you, big guns > all.

Airplanes > all. Remember the Bismark, Midway, Coral Sea, Solomon Islands, etc.
Kenadian_2006
QUOTE (edikroma @ Nov 6 2009, 05:47 PM) *
Complete side note: Check out this Lego model of the battleship Yamato!

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/142438

22 feet long, 3 feet wide, 330lbs! Took over 6 years to complete... damn!


There was a youtube video and at the end of it there is a little (well, big) reference. Someone better get it.

QUOTE (KaiserMelech Mikhail @ Nov 6 2009, 05:53 PM) *
Airplanes > all. Remember the Bismark, Midway, Coral Sea, Solomon Islands, etc.


I reject your reality and substitute it with my own.
New Inca Empire
QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Nov 6 2009, 05:57 PM) *
There was a youtube video and at the end of it there is a little (well, big) reference. Someone better get it.



I reject your reality and substitute it with my own.
Vaal Satori
QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Nov 3 2009, 09:35 PM) *
I don't get it. How could it do a 21 gun salute if the ship has no big guns. Did it mean small arms fire?


When it goes into battle mode all the cannons unfold and it's a bristling warship.
Kenadian_2006
QUOTE (Vaal Satori @ Nov 7 2009, 02:34 PM) *
When it goes into battle mode all the cannons unfold and it's a bristling warship.


Oh, so it's Japanese.
ty345
QUOTE (Vaal Satori @ Nov 7 2009, 02:34 PM) *
When it goes into battle mode all the cannons unfold and it's a bristling warship.

Knowing our navy, that might actually not be sarcasm.

OK, I'll give. Is it?
Vaal Satori
QUOTE (ty345 @ Nov 7 2009, 06:21 PM) *
Knowing our navy, that might actually not be sarcasm.

OK, I'll give. Is it?


I was just joking, but it would certainly be cool if it were true. I hear the new stealth ships are going to be like that, with retractable armaments to reduce their radar profile.
ty345
QUOTE (Vaal Satori @ Nov 8 2009, 10:52 AM) *
I was just joking, but it would certainly be cool if it were true. I hear the new stealth ships are going to be like that, with retractable armaments to reduce their radar profile.

At least some of that $600 billion a year is going to cool things tongue.gif
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