Phetion
Nov 2 2009, 02:21 PM
Kronos Trade Swapping ProgramAn Invitation to all Aqua NationsAfter our extremely successful merge with Synergia, we at Kronos have decided to adopt their unique trade swapping methods. The idea is simple, and its outcome is fantastic.
If you would like more information and would like to sign up please register on our
Forums and apply here:
http://forums.cn-kronos.com/index.php?showforum=137QUOTE (Kippa Tarxien)
Method:
Everybody who signs up, agrees to the following:
1) Check your nation daily
2) If you receive a trade invitation you agree to accept that within 24 hours
3) You delete that trade invitation not earlier than after 48 hours
This way, today I look at the participating nations, send invitations to all nations with good bills resources and I'm sure that I will have all invitations tomorrow. Then tomorrow I pay bills and send trade invitations to all tax collecting nations
The advantage of this is that everybody pay/buys/collects whenever they feel like.
- You MUST check your nation at least once daily, if not more
- This is for aqua nations only
- You accept any trade invitations within 24 hours, and must cancel no earlier than 48 hours after the original offer
- Once you have finished with a trade, (i.e. you've paid your significantly lower bills) then you must cancel
- If you miss out on two or more swap requests, you will be removed from the program
- You profit
So if you're an aqua nation, and you're looking for a reliable, profitable and simple method for constantly and consistently trade swapping, then Kippa is your woman!
I look forward to seeing you soon!
Porkers - Harbinger of Prosperity
Heracles the Great
Nov 2 2009, 02:23 PM
Kippa's knowledge and efficiency is beyond question - a fantastic addition to our alliance!
Ziperia
Nov 2 2009, 02:23 PM
o/ Kronos!
o/ Keeping the good things!
o/ me for posting!
Diomede
Nov 2 2009, 02:24 PM
This is as sexy as... well, as sexy as Kronos. So that's a lot.
Hydro
Nov 2 2009, 02:27 PM
I find myself sceptical that this venture into the free market will actually work better than than controlled market of trade circles, but in any case, good luck.
Mentor
Nov 2 2009, 02:28 PM
nice idea Kronos
Penlugue Solaris
Nov 2 2009, 02:29 PM
I see potential for failure here: what happens if people decide to interfere in it, or if younger nations offer a trade to a nation involved? How does this system work to prevent issues such as that?
A wonderful idea though that will work in 99.9% of cases.
Heracles the Great
Nov 2 2009, 02:31 PM
QUOTE (Hydro @ Nov 2 2009, 04:27 PM)

I find myself sceptical that this venture into the free market will actually work better than than controlled market of trade circles, but in any case, good luck.
I profit an extra $2m+ per day from trade swapping compared to my previous 3BR+F+U that's considered the best all around TC in the game...
Alterego
Nov 2 2009, 02:33 PM
Good luck with this endeavor, trade swapping for bill payment and collecting is something I have considered a number of times in the past. I believe with the right management this could result in a massive economic boost for the nations involved.* It can leave an alliance in a vulnerable position in the event of a sudden war.
*edit
Hydro
Nov 2 2009, 02:40 PM
QUOTE (Heracles the Great @ Nov 2 2009, 01:31 PM)

I profit an extra $2m+ per day from trade swapping compared to my previous 3BR+F+U that's considered the best all around TC in the game...
And can you do reasonable sleds with this method? (ie. exceeding 10 days)
Heracles the Great
Nov 2 2009, 02:41 PM
QUOTE (Hydro @ Nov 2 2009, 04:40 PM)

And can you do reasonable sleds with this method? (ie. exceeding 10 days)
I do 20 day sleds and haven't had problems, but it's always possible that something will go wrong. Luckily the extra 5 day cushion is built in and if you don't like risk you can always lower it to 10 or 15.
Da DreadLord
Nov 2 2009, 02:51 PM
QUOTE (Phetion @ Nov 2 2009, 09:21 PM)

then Kippa is your woman!
keep in mind you'll have to go past me to get to her >.>
phillip110
Nov 2 2009, 02:56 PM
I can't wait to see if we can make this thing work.
Ziperia
Nov 2 2009, 03:01 PM
bah, I'll just say we rule...
Inst
Nov 2 2009, 03:33 PM
Heh, you guys beat me to the punch, although I was planning to keep my implementation within MK...
Dr. Dan
Nov 2 2009, 03:37 PM
Brilliant! Brilliant!!!!!!!
Phetion
Nov 2 2009, 03:41 PM
QUOTE (Hydro @ Nov 2 2009, 08:27 PM)

I find myself sceptical that this venture into the free market will actually work better than than controlled market of trade circles, but in any case, good luck.
As long as each nation is active every day, and they follow the instructions set, and managed by Kippa then everything will remained controlled and everything should flow finely.
QUOTE (Penlugue Solaris @ Nov 2 2009, 08:29 PM)

I see potential for failure here: what happens if people decide to interfere in it, or if younger nations offer a trade to a nation involved? How does this system work to prevent issues such as that?
A wonderful idea though that will work in 99.9% of cases.
As far as I know, it's controlled enough to prevent one from accepting a trade from an unknown. You should know who to expect a trade offer from, and you'll know who to offer. If you're unsure as to whether to accept a trade, it'll be easy enough to either message Kippa or check the roster.
Heracles the Great
Nov 2 2009, 03:41 PM
QUOTE (Inst @ Nov 2 2009, 04:33 PM)

Heh, you guys beat me to the punch, although I was planning to keep my implementation within MK...
No reason we can't further promoted Aquaholicism by joining efforts
Penlugue Solaris
Nov 2 2009, 04:26 PM
QUOTE (Phetion @ Nov 2 2009, 04:41 PM)

As far as I know, it's controlled enough to prevent one from accepting a trade from an unknown. You should know who to expect a trade offer from, and you'll know who to offer. If you're unsure as to whether to accept a trade, it'll be easy enough to either message Kippa or check the roster.
Makes sense to me.
Good luck with this guys
thespindoctor
Nov 2 2009, 04:58 PM
QUOTE (Phetion @ Nov 2 2009, 09:41 PM)

As far as I know, it's controlled enough to prevent one from accepting a trade from an unknown. You should know who to expect a trade offer from, and you'll know who to offer. If you're unsure as to whether to accept a trade, it'll be easy enough to either message Kippa or check the roster.
There will be a list of nations participating so it will be difficult for outsidersw to interfere.
Epiphanus
Nov 2 2009, 05:19 PM
This is awesome.
Zoomzoomzoom
Nov 2 2009, 05:39 PM
Lets just hope Kippa doesn't go inactive.
Best of luck with this. I hope it works out well.
white majik
Nov 2 2009, 06:08 PM
Since ive started swapping im netting an extra 60+ mil over a 20 day period.
I was a skeptic once, but I have found the truth that is Swapping.
Masterof9puppets
Nov 2 2009, 07:25 PM
QUOTE (white majik @ Nov 3 2009, 01:08 AM)

Since ive started swapping im netting an extra 60+ mil over a 20 day period.
I was a skeptic once, but I have found the truth that is Swapping.
Since I started taking....
....
!
TEH TRUTH.
I can't wait to see this succeed.
Mongrel
Nov 2 2009, 07:40 PM
It's so simple it just may work! If I wasn't committed to my solid trade ring, I'd jump in it. I've already posted a link for our nations who don't have full rings to check it out.
Best of luck with this.
Sethly
Nov 3 2009, 12:30 AM
i was just discussing this with a friend the other day; i'm very excited to see how this pans out! it could be very profitable if kept alive. i have one question though: what will happen in war? many resources have military efficiency benefits and those could not be constantly available to all nations at war anytime they are about to be attacked.... that would be my main concern if you tend to trade with other alliances that would be in war with yours.
phillip110
Nov 3 2009, 02:04 AM
QUOTE (Sethly @ Nov 3 2009, 01:30 AM)

i was just discussing this with a friend the other day; i'm very excited to see how this pans out! it could be very profitable if kept alive. i have one question though: what will happen in war? many resources have military efficiency benefits and those could not be constantly available to all nations at war anytime they are about to be attacked.... that would be my main concern if you tend to trade with other alliances that would be in war with yours.
This is a new program, and this will certainly need to be addressed, ideally now rather than when a war breaks out. As with tech trading, I would imagine a temp trading program will get a little crazy during a war - especially if there were aqua on aqua wars going on.
KagetheSecond
Nov 3 2009, 04:50 AM
You guys rock. I hope this works out for you.
Poyplemonkeys
Nov 3 2009, 05:51 AM
This has great potential, but the complications that will undoubtedly arise during a war makes me wonder how long this will work. I watch on with interest.
Shamshir
Nov 3 2009, 06:31 AM
Soooo

I only wish I was not so lazy
LJ Scott
Nov 3 2009, 07:21 AM
I demand you accept me into this program D:
Straylight
Nov 3 2009, 07:26 AM
This is so awesome.
Hail Kronos, pushing the borders of nation building to a new level!
Eden Taylor
Nov 3 2009, 10:56 AM
Why would you tell people about something that they could never figure out how to do on their own? Sheesh. Pretty soon your stats will be worthless, Kronos, and then what good would anyone have with you?
Drostan
Nov 3 2009, 11:10 AM
I would love to try this but I like my steady Spartan-based trade circle and have no plans to abandon it. But if one of them ever does, I will have to give this a shot.
Glad to see we've got some movers and shakers.
Kowalski
Nov 3 2009, 02:20 PM
Don't do it, I heard Kronos look like dorks.
Mathias
Nov 3 2009, 02:21 PM
If I wasn't on blue and in a trade circle, I'd definitely check this out.
Heracles the Great
Nov 3 2009, 02:33 PM
#AquaTrades has been established on Coldfront for all participants
shahenshah
Nov 3 2009, 02:50 PM
QUOTE (Hydro @ Nov 3 2009, 01:27 AM)

I find myself sceptical that this venture into the free market will actually work better than than controlled market of trade circles, but in any case, good luck.
We have Trade Swapping running successfully on IRON boards for months, Thanks to DAWN *Hugz Golan + Frannie*. Its returns are much better than any stable trade circle. Only challenge is you need to be active.
Trinite
Nov 3 2009, 03:31 PM
I thought about this a long time ago when I first got here, but decided it would be too much of a hassle to run and keep track of because I'm a very lazy person. If you guys actually have a mystical being willing to run this, then it will be pretty amazing. I look forward to seeing how this works out, and I wish you luck.
Heracles the Great
Nov 4 2009, 01:23 PM
QUOTE (Eden Taylor @ Nov 3 2009, 12:56 PM)

Why would you tell people about something that they could never figure out how to do on their own? Sheesh. Pretty soon your stats will be worthless, Kronos, and then what good would anyone have with you?
Don't betray Kronos, Umbrella!
The AUT
Nov 4 2009, 04:51 PM
Activity, becomes efficiency, and efficiency.. well, that is the start of a good alliance.
Good luck Kronos, if this works out I may ask if you can help us implement a similar system.
Error Operator
Nov 5 2009, 02:47 PM
QUOTE (The AUT @ Nov 4 2009, 05:51 PM)

Activity, becomes efficiency, and efficiency.. well, that is the start of a good alliance.
Good luck Kronos, if this works out I may ask if you can help us implement a similar system.

I guess you don't have the efficiency so i guess you don't have the start of a good alliance if you need help from someone else's idea.
Heracles the Great
Nov 5 2009, 03:05 PM
Incase it got lost on the previous page, #AquaTrades has been setup on Coldfront for coordinating and questions. Feel free to set it up on your ajoin list.
Ashley Smith
Nov 5 2009, 03:11 PM
Having been with this program since not long after it's inception (and having suggested this be announced a while ago), I must say a definite OH YES. hopefully the new system will hammer out the bugs, and this can become a big thing.
QUOTE (Alterego @ Nov 2 2009, 02:33 PM)

Good luck with this endeavor, trade swapping for bill payment and collecting is something I have considered a number of times in the past. I believe with the right management this could result in a massive economic boost for the nations involved.* It can leave an alliance in a vulnerable position in the event of a sudden war.
*edit
of course, if you make a trade swap for military bonuses, it can also help out a lot during a war (especially a small one)
As for fear of losing an existing trade circle: get the circle to join. If it doesn't pan out, you can always go back then, but honestly, full trade circles, especially if its on both sides, makes this much easier.
Sethly
Nov 5 2009, 06:45 PM
QUOTE (Trinite @ Nov 3 2009, 02:31 PM)

I thought about this a long time ago when I first got here, but decided it would be too much of a hassle to run and keep track of because I'm a very lazy person.
Sad, but all too true. :-(
Scorponok
Nov 7 2009, 10:25 AM
Always knew this method needed adopting by all alliances. A great start. Kronos will grow a lot from this method.
- Scorponok.
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